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EarthSight · 11/01/2026 16:24

Where are all the celebrities regarding what has been happening the last few days??

Where all the usual human rights e-activists on this matter? Do they need Greta Thunberg's permission before they speak? There's been nothing at all from all the creative people I follow on Instagram either who are usually all over such matters.

What's going on right now pre-dates Trump and most recent politics. It's been a long time brewing, decades, and yet, the BBC were quite slow to cover it too. I don't blame them for feeling bitter & disappointed by this.

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Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/01/2026 16:32

EarthSight · 11/01/2026 16:24

Where are all the celebrities regarding what has been happening the last few days??

Where all the usual human rights e-activists on this matter? Do they need Greta Thunberg's permission before they speak? There's been nothing at all from all the creative people I follow on Instagram either who are usually all over such matters.

What's going on right now pre-dates Trump and most recent politics. It's been a long time brewing, decades, and yet, the BBC were quite slow to cover it too. I don't blame them for feeling bitter & disappointed by this.

I'm not surprised.

But remember...these people are torn. Any country that hates the West is by definition "good". That's why they are struggling to support the overthrow of a violent, authoritarian yet anti-Western regime.

It's pathetic really. But that's where we are with the skewed morals of people (particularly celebs) these days

RedTagAlan · 11/01/2026 16:36

Who is bitter and disappointed ? It's all over the news. And considering the internet blackout in Iran, coupled with the oppressive regime, the news networks are doing well to get as much as they do. Verified news that is.

It's not as if the networks can just send a team over and start reporting.

And with the issues on reporting, blocked internet, what are the " e-activists" going to comment on ?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/01/2026 16:44

RedTagAlan · 11/01/2026 16:36

Who is bitter and disappointed ? It's all over the news. And considering the internet blackout in Iran, coupled with the oppressive regime, the news networks are doing well to get as much as they do. Verified news that is.

It's not as if the networks can just send a team over and start reporting.

And with the issues on reporting, blocked internet, what are the " e-activists" going to comment on ?

Gaza had wall to wall coverage from the BBC and they got their info from Hamas, TBF.

RedTagAlan · 11/01/2026 17:28

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/01/2026 16:44

Gaza had wall to wall coverage from the BBC and they got their info from Hamas, TBF.

They also had teams on the ground at times, if not, then there was some network there. And if all that failed, all they had to do was go to the top of a building in Isreal and film from there, over the fence. Gaza is tiny. And it took a while for Isreal to really start limiting access.

Iran is huge, Can't see over a fence to see what is happening in Tehran.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/01/2026 17:29

RedTagAlan · 11/01/2026 17:28

They also had teams on the ground at times, if not, then there was some network there. And if all that failed, all they had to do was go to the top of a building in Isreal and film from there, over the fence. Gaza is tiny. And it took a while for Isreal to really start limiting access.

Iran is huge, Can't see over a fence to see what is happening in Tehran.

Not sure thats how it played out IRL of course. But it sounds good.

RedTagAlan · 11/01/2026 17:47

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/01/2026 17:29

Not sure thats how it played out IRL of course. But it sounds good.

Well, I suppose it's like if there were protests in Xinjiang or Tibet in China. It would be pretty difficult to get news out I would have thought, Reliable info that can be reported with confidence.

Is Iran not similar ?

With Gaza, that would be like a war in Salford when you are reporting from Manchester.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/01/2026 18:01

RedTagAlan · 11/01/2026 17:47

Well, I suppose it's like if there were protests in Xinjiang or Tibet in China. It would be pretty difficult to get news out I would have thought, Reliable info that can be reported with confidence.

Is Iran not similar ?

With Gaza, that would be like a war in Salford when you are reporting from Manchester.

There was a good article in the Telegraph on why the BBC was so restrained in its coverage until people started highlighting the issue. Ive copied and pasted below. It sums up the reality of the situation.

It has been the silence which has been so telling as hundreds of thousands have taken to the streets in Iran to oppose one of the most dangerous and deadly dictatorships on earth.

While brave Iranian people have come out to revolt against the misogynistic theocratic leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – leading to dozens being killed and thousands being arrested – the usual suspects who will protest every time an IDF soldier or a Trump official sneezes, have kept schtum.

Greta Thunberg hasn’t mentioned getting on a boat. Jeremy Corbyn has instead been tweeting manically about America’s “invasion” of Venezuela. Perhaps they are confused. The Iranians shouting “Azadi, azadi, azadi”, translating as “Freedom, freedom, freedom”, want an end to the terrorist-supporting theocracy they appear to adore and want the Western freedoms they abhor.

It seems like they cannot understand these people rejecting jihadist Islam. The demonstrators of Iran, who have had more than their fill of Islamic “decolonisation”, upend this entire worldview.

Mirroring the silence of our keffiyeh-wearing faux-freedom fighters is the sad fact that it took the BBC over a week to put the story of the new revolution in Iran onto its home page – the publicly funded, most-read news website in the country. It is, thankfully, there now.

Writing on X about why the BBC has barely mentioned this uprising that has been going on for nearly two weeks, the BBC’s veteran World Affairs editor John Simpson put this down to how it was “very difficult to get correspondents in. The BBC is banned, and so are most others. It’s a bit like Gaza.”

This, of course, prompted much hilarity as the BBC quoted every cough and spit from Hamas when it came to its Gaza reporting. As Michael Prescott’s memo, first reported in The Telegraph, found: “Claims against Israel seem to be raced to air or online without adequate checks, evidencing either carelessness or a desire always to believe the worst about Israel.”

In contrast, even though the BBC has a Persian service which has been verifying footage coming out of Iran – and putting this on the individual accounts of the reporters – it was only on Thursday night, after celebrities such as JK Rowling started tweeting about the bravery of the Iranians, that the footage finally made it onto the BBC website’s homepage.

Before, you had to actively search hard to find anything about the Iranian demonstrations on the BBC.

This is about priorities and mindset: three months after there was a ceasefire between Gaza and Israel, the “tab” for the Israel-Gaza war is third on the BBC website – ahead of news from the UK, the War in Ukraine, the Rest of the World and Politics.

Some might argue that Iran is yet another Middle Eastern country blowing up. But Iran is a big deal and if this new revolution – or anti-revolution – continues, it impacts all of us.

Iran is sometimes called “the head of the Octopus” because of all the places where it has tentacles in its open war against the West since Ayatollah Khomeini took control in 1979. It links the Israel-Palestine conflict, via its proxies Hamas and Hezbollah; to Venezuela, through which it gets both drugs and weapons to fund its terrorist groups; to the attacks on British shipping by another proxy, the Houthis; to the Russian war on Ukraine, which it supplies weapons for.

Iran also has a big impact on Britain itself: last July, Parliament’s intelligence and security committee warned that the UK faced a “rising” and unpredictable threat from the country.

Last year, security minister Dan Jarvis revealed that since 2022 MI5 have uncovered at least 20 assassination plots linked to the Islamic Republic against British nationals and residents. There have been multiple stories about pro-Iranian camps radicalising children in the UK.

Iran, which has killed young women for showing too much hair, has shown us the danger of extremist Islam and has attempted to export it here. Some might say it has already succeeded.

The Iranian regime has currently attempted to shut down the internet and, in the next few days, there will be more bloodshed on the streets as the Ayatollah desperately attempts to cling to power, and Crown Prince Raza Pahlavi, potentially a leader in waiting, encourages more demonstrations.

The usual suspects might be confused about whose side they are meant to be on, but I am not. Azadi for the people of Iran. Azadi for us too.

EarthSight · 12/01/2026 10:31

No, I don't think this is just due to difficulties getting people to report because of the blackout, as that's much more recent. The protests were rising before then.

@Pineneedlesincarpet Well written.The last time I noticed sluggish reporting like this was during Occupy Wall Street and the Cologne rapes. Usually thew BBC or Guardian would be all over U.S news as soon as it happened, so it was surreal to be almost 3 days in, seeing so many photos and clips on Twitter streaming in, and yet almost nothing about it in the U.K press.

I genuinely think the reason why so many celebrities have been silent, that would usually be all over something like this, is because they're either mistaken in thinking this is just the stirring of U.S or Israel in Iranian politics, or, they don't want to touch the subject as they know that this is a nation of people rejecting radical Islam, rejecting Shariah law, and Islam completely in some cases.

That's obviously a touchy subject that might upset some radical Muslims in the U.K and America, and so they don't want to incur any backlash regarding a cause they won't score enough political points on.

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EarthSight · 12/01/2026 10:33

RedTagAlan · 11/01/2026 16:36

Who is bitter and disappointed ? It's all over the news. And considering the internet blackout in Iran, coupled with the oppressive regime, the news networks are doing well to get as much as they do. Verified news that is.

It's not as if the networks can just send a team over and start reporting.

And with the issues on reporting, blocked internet, what are the " e-activists" going to comment on ?

They are bitter. Just go online, on social media, and you'll see Iranians questioning why the usual well known figures have been silent about this.

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dwordle · 12/01/2026 16:50

I won't miss the Iranian regime but I do think the trouble is being fueled by Mossad and CIA agents in Iran.

Like all these the idea of regime change sounds great in practice but the truth is what follows isn't always great either. You would hope that people are able to elect a government or at least have a peaceful coalition.

You would hope with all that oil it might filter down to the people that live there...

justasking111 · 12/01/2026 23:46

Perhaps the death threats against them and their families that would ensue keeps them quiet.

Ginnyweasleyswand · 13/01/2026 10:10

EarthSight · 11/01/2026 16:24

Where are all the celebrities regarding what has been happening the last few days??

Where all the usual human rights e-activists on this matter? Do they need Greta Thunberg's permission before they speak? There's been nothing at all from all the creative people I follow on Instagram either who are usually all over such matters.

What's going on right now pre-dates Trump and most recent politics. It's been a long time brewing, decades, and yet, the BBC were quite slow to cover it too. I don't blame them for feeling bitter & disappointed by this.

Yes, I agree with you OP. I also think that part of the reason coverage is now picking up is because an awful lot of people on X and other platforms were saying 'what the hell, why isn't the mainstream media / bbc covering this huge democratic uprising'.

Ginnyweasleyswand · 13/01/2026 10:20

Brendan O'Neill has an interesting take

7 October was the biggest mistake Iran ever made - spiked

from the article:

"Some on the faux-left say the ‘Zionist lobby’ is behind the revolt in Iran. It is a testament to their own Orientalist bigotry that they would so cavalierly strip the rebels of agency and reduce them to dupes of the Jews. In truth, where 7 October might have pushed to the fore the question of Iran’s future, it is the Iranian people who will answer that question. And millions are saying: ‘No more Islamism, no more theocracy, no more war in Gaza and Lebanon.’ "

I do think it's a bit of a colonialist mindset to imply that Iranians who actually live in Iran don't know what they're doing and have been somehow pushed into it by anyone else (i.e. implying they're stupid).Usually a comment made by people who've never set foot in Iran. Remember Iran was where a young woman was murdered for not wearing a headscarf properly according to the 'morality police'.

I support the Iranian people and their self-determination. How hard is it for human rights activists to say this too?

Fernsrus · 13/01/2026 10:46

That’s odd. The brutal crackdown in Iran has been on my media feed for ages. Perhaps you were too busy following “celebs.”

dwordle · 13/01/2026 17:29

I listen to BBC world service in the mornings and it's been heavily covered for over two weeks.

I hope that what ever America is planning is for the right reasons and doesn't result in civilian casualties.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/01/2026 18:07

dwordle · 13/01/2026 17:29

I listen to BBC world service in the mornings and it's been heavily covered for over two weeks.

I hope that what ever America is planning is for the right reasons and doesn't result in civilian casualties.

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Who cares what America's reasons are. Its the Iranian people that are fighting for freedom from the ayatollahs. Everyone should be behind them.

EasternStandard · 13/01/2026 18:20

I haven’t seen any celebs. Just the usual stuff but nothing from them on Iran.

I have seen moving footage and pleas for help from people there which is heartbreaking

MissyB1 · 13/01/2026 18:26

dwordle · 12/01/2026 16:50

I won't miss the Iranian regime but I do think the trouble is being fueled by Mossad and CIA agents in Iran.

Like all these the idea of regime change sounds great in practice but the truth is what follows isn't always great either. You would hope that people are able to elect a government or at least have a peaceful coalition.

You would hope with all that oil it might filter down to the people that live there...

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This! Because lots of us suspect life isn’t going to be suddenly hunky dory for Iranians just because this regime may fall. Especially with Trump involved, will Trump out in a puppet regime? Who knows? There’s every possibility it’s going to be a shit show.

dwordle · 13/01/2026 18:47

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/01/2026 18:07

Who cares what America's reasons are. Its the Iranian people that are fighting for freedom from the ayatollahs. Everyone should be behind them.

The reasons for doing it will determine what happens to Iranians. If you take out the leadership, then you could end up with military or militias taking control and that won't be good

Personally putting troops on the ground is by far the best way to ensure people are protected

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/01/2026 19:23

dwordle · 13/01/2026 18:47

The reasons for doing it will determine what happens to Iranians. If you take out the leadership, then you could end up with military or militias taking control and that won't be good

Personally putting troops on the ground is by far the best way to ensure people are protected

Do the Iranians want US "boots on the ground"? How's that gone in the past?

EarthSight · 13/01/2026 19:54

Fernsrus · 13/01/2026 10:46

That’s odd. The brutal crackdown in Iran has been on my media feed for ages. Perhaps you were too busy following “celebs.”

A weird, and unnecessarily rude & hostile comment. No I don't follow celebs, actually. I have access to their feeds like everyone else if I want to see what they're posting, but I don't follow them like that.

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dwordle · 13/01/2026 21:07

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/01/2026 19:23

Do the Iranians want US "boots on the ground"? How's that gone in the past?

I have no idea, but bombing military targets or killing it's supreme leader might not have the desired effect.

If you listen to analysts all have different opinions, some say don't intervene, others say intervene.....

The Americans need to be very careful, peoples lives are at stake. I'm extremely cautious because of Israel and America and their campaigns have recently been very dishonest, but if the reports are true that over 10,000 protesters have been killed then I think we all agree strong words isn't enough.

I listen to the radio in the morning and there is a presenter there who talks to Iranians in her interviews. The information we have is sketchy because the government has cut the internet, mobile phones, telecommunications to the outside world ....so we are getting information that might not be true .... remember there are no journalists on the ground reporting

Pineneedlesincarpet · 14/01/2026 09:12

dwordle · 13/01/2026 21:07

I have no idea, but bombing military targets or killing it's supreme leader might not have the desired effect.

If you listen to analysts all have different opinions, some say don't intervene, others say intervene.....

The Americans need to be very careful, peoples lives are at stake. I'm extremely cautious because of Israel and America and their campaigns have recently been very dishonest, but if the reports are true that over 10,000 protesters have been killed then I think we all agree strong words isn't enough.

I listen to the radio in the morning and there is a presenter there who talks to Iranians in her interviews. The information we have is sketchy because the government has cut the internet, mobile phones, telecommunications to the outside world ....so we are getting information that might not be true .... remember there are no journalists on the ground reporting

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The Iranians have been living under a brutal regime since 1979. They are trying to get rid of it. That is perfectly logical. The fact you relate this to the interest and motives of America and Israel, as a PP said, smacks of a colonialist mindset.

dwordle · 15/01/2026 09:19

Pineneedlesincarpet · 14/01/2026 09:12

The Iranians have been living under a brutal regime since 1979. They are trying to get rid of it. That is perfectly logical. The fact you relate this to the interest and motives of America and Israel, as a PP said, smacks of a colonialist mindset.

How do we get rid of it, I mean there's no silver bullet that will lead to a transition of power. You could easily take out the supreme leader but then you would need to remove all of those in power, in control of the military, some of the police.

The only way you can protect Iranians and remove the corrupt officials is to physically force them..boots on the ground.

You could say the same thing about Afghanistan..... hardly a good advert for regime change.

I honestly don't know the answer....I've been to Iran and Iranians are extremely generous and warm....it's a pitty they have such a shit government

dwordle · 15/01/2026 09:31

Listening to John Bolton just now and he believes US intervention could be persuasive in regime change.

What that means in terms of action I don't know. Could Iran be forced to allow democratic elections and observers in to monitor a transition.

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