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NotDarkGothicMama · 20/11/2025 11:32

I'm not thrilled but it's not like he just made up this policy to be evil. It's one of the recommendations of a serious public inquiry. Drastic action is needed to clear the current backlog and get our justice system working again.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 20/11/2025 11:52

I guess he knows how courts work. Isn’t it to stop people gaming the system.

Thecowardlydonkey · 20/11/2025 12:00

I am delighted to see this. It is well overdue. We are clinging to an antiquated system, and it is broken. Something drastic needs to be done to improve the situation. I'd do away with jury trials in their current form altogether but this is a step in the right direction.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 20/11/2025 12:05

I haven't voted because I have mixed feelings about these proposals. I don't actually want us to take away the right to jury trials, but I can also see that the current system is not working as things are. We have massive backlogs in the courts and the system is not functioning. So something has to be done.

What do you think would be a better way of sorting out the current problems?

pointythings · 21/11/2025 16:27

I come from the Netherlands. Like many highly civilised and democratic countries, it doesn't have jury trial.

The UK system is by no.means a gold standard.

SydneyCarton · 21/11/2025 17:11

Keir Starmer has not come up with this policy Hmm It is one of a series of recommendations from Sir Brian Leveson (a senior judge) who has conducted an independent review of the criminal courts with the aim of clearing a massive backlog. He is proposing a new crown court division to hear "either-way cases" where a defendant can currently choose trial in the magistrates court or jury trial in the Crown court - they would now be heard by a judge and two magistrates.

The proposals will limit the right to trial by jury for certain cases/offences only. All cases for which jury trial is currently mandatory - murder, rape, drugs, terrorism etc - will still be heard in the Crown Court.

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/11/2025 17:12

I’ve served on juries. I agree with the proposals.

Timeforabitofpeace · 21/11/2025 17:27

Well if labour is authoritarian in your opinion, then you’re probably Reform, which has had a key leader jailed today for over 10 years.

DorisTheFinkasaurus · 21/11/2025 17:36

The headline was upsetting. The article itself was a relief to read. On the face of it, I think it's an ok solution to a significant crisis. But I worry. Jury trial is an undervalued democratic process. I say undervalued because I don't think people quite understand the importance of upholding jury trials and how much of an essential arm of democracy they are to the public. I do see this as a sign that democracy is surreptitiously being undermined (what else is new though?). There is a danger to this.
But then, there is a critical backlog and the centre cannot hold unless there is an urgent change. And this is it. This is the best the government can offer.

But it's probably the best option. I say this as someone who watched my daughter lose years of her childhood to a legal system that was manipulated by her abuser, using delay tactics and anything else that he could do to throw a spanner in the works. These delays significantly impact the mental health of victims and their families and by the time the victim does get justice, they can't even recognise it anymore because of the length of time it takes to receive it. So much damage is done to victims by criminals dragging out proceedings (if they possibly can do so). It's almost like an extra layer of abuse, enabled by a legal system that allows for criminals to play it. It's detrimental, to be honest. My daughter has often felt that in a strange way, she too has done time, she too has been convicted by a system that left her feeling as if systemic support rushed towards her perpetrator then trickled down to her.
The backlog is indeed terrible. But I also think the backlog in the courts (family and criminal, et al) is mostly due to a pathetic IT system that doesn't join up any dots. The technological infrastructure is prehistoric and not fit for purpose. This is having an enormous impact on all of the hearings in all of the courts. That needs to be addressed because that in itself is critical.

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