Greens overtake Labour in a poll for first time ever.

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Starmer is done surely. He promised the Party and the country very little indeed - and delivered nothing. The Greens might not be able to stop Farage but virtually anyone is a better bet right now than Starmer and his wet blanket, status quo, small c Conservative politics of nothing, which threatens to hand Farage an unmissable open goal.

I’m reading about the possibility of a forced election two years early. How does one ‘force’ an election?

You can’t, as far as I know. Starmer is an issue for the Labour party to solve, not the country.

We can only hope to get rid of Starmer & Liebour asap!

People are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think a government with an enormous majority can be forced to call an election. Why would Labour MPs vote for that at the moment? It would be turkeys voting for Christmas.

I live in hope that by the time the election is due (nearly four years from now) most of the electorate will be able to see that voting Reform or Green would do no good at all, for different reasons. Both parties are full of extremists with no common sense.

You can’t. Labour would have to lose a vote of no confidence in the commons but given the size of the majority a large number of Labour MPs would have to vote against them. Which would be absurd really, they’d have to all a) have no desire to stand again, and b) be willing to be out of a job in a few weeks. Starmer could call one, but again, why would he?

I’m not sure where you’re reading about a the possibility of this election but it won’t happen.

I don’t know where it came up either but I’ve read it a few times now. Perhaps they think it will get so bad they’ll be a coup.

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Copied this from Google but it's not chatgbt

Populations use various methods to pressure or remove a government:
• Non-violent civil resistance: This includes protests, demonstrations, strikes, boycotts, and acts of civil disobedience. Research suggests that non-violent campaigns are often more than twice as likely to succeed as violent campaigns and that success can be achieved if approximately 3.5% of the population actively participates in sustained protest.
• Revolutions: These are large-scale, often violent, movements that aim to radically change the entire system of government and society, not just specific leaders or policies.
• Elections and political pressure: In a democracy, citizens can remove a government by voting for an alternative party or by putting pressure on their representatives to hold a vote of no confidence.

Original and hilarious post.

I think it's come from Reform.
Having read his speech from yesterday he's depending on turkeys voting for Christmas which of course a lot will.

It would have to be a coup of Labour MPs who are all fine with losing their jobs. If they force an election there wouldn’t be time for a Labour leadership election so they’d have to run under Starmer. So they’d have to campaign “please vote for me and the party & leader I’ve just voted no confidence in”. So unless they’re all happily not running again (which is obviously possible), they wouldn’t do this.

What is more likely is a change in Labour leader. But I’m not sure at the moment that they’ve got anyone who would be able to gather the necessary support from the MPs to force the election.

It's this kind of erudite post that makes me keep returning to MN.

It's something that is going round on social media, being boosted by bots, bad actors and useful idiots who have no idea how the British electoral and party systems work. Look to the likes of Tommy Robinson, Musk, and Putin for the source. Ditto the constant attacks on Sadiq Khan originating from people who don't live in the UK, let alone London.

There is a concerted effort to undermine democracies, particularly ones with centrist or left-leaning governments, worldwide, massively amplified by social media.

Get the army in and have a coup.

Or protest in large numbers, but we can't do that any more. A nation of rabbits caught in the headlights.

Do tell us your more suitable epithet for our esteemed leaders?

I am liking this new Green Party and will probably vote for them at the next election.

I voted for Labour but unless Starmer gets rid of Reeves and starts behaving like a real Labour leader I will never support them again.

I think Reeves' budget will be a disaster and unless Starmer finally grows a spine and gets rid of her there will be a Labour leadership challenge.

Well the Liebour thing is just embarrassing isn't it. A playground taunt used by the hard of thinking.

Of course we can protest in large numbers - nothing is stopping you other than your own apathy. There are huge protests every weekend in London - the pro-Palestine ones, and most recently 150,000 at the Unite the Right rally.

Starmer is more embarrassing, and voting for him even more so. Arguably.

Pre-election last year I asked why people weren't voting Green and got absolutely flamed. "No we're voting Labour. How dare you not vote Labour. You are insane for voting Green."

Hard of thinking indeed.

The train fare is stopping me, also how are those protests going to help reduce council tax and get rid of Starmer?

Then you don’t feel that strongly about it.

if you really felt that strongly you would go out and protest.

I voted Lib Dem at the last election but would happily vote Labour. Seems I’m in the minority who haven’t fallen for the reform disinformation campaigns.

More embarrassing than making up silly playground names? Right ho.

Also, "Starmer is more embarrassing" is a bit My Da is bigger than your Da.

Still. We're all allowed to vote as we please thankfully.

You cannot reasonably call people a “nation of rabbits” for not protesting and then say you don’t protest because of the train fare and the fact the protests PP mentioned weren’t for the causes you support. Arrange a local protest, and then criticise others for not protesting!

I’ve found this to be the typical attitude of a certain demographic. They want change, don’t want to protest, but they also sneer at those who feel strongly enough to go out and protest.

You are the one who suggested protest could be used to force an election so you tell me.