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Reform plans to scrap indefinite leave to remain for migrants

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Twiglets1 · 22/09/2025 13:08

BBC report following Farage's press conference this afternoon:

Reform UK has announced it would abolish the right of migrants to qualify for permanent settlement in the UK after five years, if the party wins the next election.

Under the plans, Reform would abolish the right of migrants to apply for Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) - which gives migrants rights and access to benefits - and reapply for new visas with tougher rules.

Reform will also unveil plans to bar anyone other than British citizens from accessing welfare. The party claims their plans would save £234bn over several decades.

Reform said it would replace ILR with visas that force migrants to reapply every five years. That includes hundreds of thousands of migrants currently in the UK.
Applicants would also have to meet certain criteria, including a higher salary threshold and standard of English.

The announcement launches Reform's fresh assault on what they brand the "Boriswave" - 3.8 million people who entered the UK after Brexit under looser rules brought in by Boris Johnson's administration.

Speaking at a press conference, Reform UK leader Nigel Farage said the "main reason" for the policy was to "wake everybody up to the Boris wave".

Hundreds of thousands of these migrants, who have come to the UK since 2021, will soon qualify for permanent residence under the ILR scheme.

Reform said the changes would not apply to EU nationals whose settled status is protected under the European Union Withdrawal Agreement, who make up the majority of benefit claimants by people with ILR.

But EU nationals not benefiting from the provisions of the Withdrawal Agreement will be subject to the new system.

Reform will also introduce a new scheme called Acute Skills Shortage Visas (ASSV) for jobs in crisis. Under the scheme, firms can hire one worker from abroad only if they train one at home.

Reform will also raise the average wait for UK citizenship from six years to seven.

Reform say their policy is designed to bring Britain into line with other countries such as the US and United Arab Emirates (UAE) and save the UK more than £234bn over what it calls the "lifetime of the average migrant".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c930xypxpqpo

Reform UK Leader Nigel Farage speaks as he closes the conference on day two of the Reform UK annual conference in Birmingham

Reform plans to scrap indefinite leave to remain for migrants

The party says scrapping the scheme and restricting migrant access to benefits will save hundreds of billions of pounds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c930xypxpqpo

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TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 20:42

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 20:40

Boris Johnson was a journalist and PM.

BBC verify is not a trustworthy source of facts. TBF I don't know where is these days!

Edited

He lied in both jobs and got sacked for it

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 20:43

TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 20:41

He is giving the news?

As he is legally allowed to do.

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 20:44

TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 20:42

He lied in both jobs and got sacked for it

That's not the point. Did you read things he wrote but were unable to detect any bias he may have?

TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 20:44

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 20:43

As he is legally allowed to do.

Impartial news?

Shame he doesn't spend as much time in Clacton.

TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 20:45

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 20:44

That's not the point. Did you read things he wrote but were unable to detect any bias he may have?

So it's down to the reader, viewer to decide what is the truth and what are lies?

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 20:52

TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 20:45

So it's down to the reader, viewer to decide what is the truth and what are lies?

Who would be the censor? Who would decide a political truth or a lie?

We need to be trusted to make our own minds up. And chose the source of information that we want without some dictat from Lisa Nandy. Surely?

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 20:53

TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 20:44

Impartial news?

Shame he doesn't spend as much time in Clacton.

He's acting within the law.

It's for his constituents to decide whether to keep him as MP.

Clavinova · 24/09/2025 20:54

BendoftheBeginning · 24/09/2025 17:38

Isn’t the swan eating thing an urban myth that has been popping up for decades? I’m sure I remember it being lobbed at the Bosnians who turned up here during the 90s.

I have found some reports regarding swans, mostly 10/12 years ago - one from Windsor:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-23778649
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/swan-killer-i-like-the-queen-and-didn-t-know-what-type-of-bird-it-was-but-it-tasted-nice-9468710.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47568366
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-21015523
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-17148813
https://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2015-07-06/butchered-swan-found-in-shrubs-after-being-killed-for-meat/

Carp reports here:

2018
'The Polish Anglers Association has been doing a lot of really good work, going to schools and teaching youngsters about our laws and culture and what is acceptable.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-45232579

'My job is telling people from eastern Europe not to eat carp from UK rivers'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-35028556

Sherbs12 · 24/09/2025 20:55

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 20:40

Boris Johnson was a journalist and PM.

BBC verify is not a trustworthy source of facts. TBF I don't know where is these days!

Edited

In title, maybe - I think it’s a reach to describe him as either, by anyone’s professional standards. And in all seriousness, it also only exemplifies his greed, his ego and his lack of commitment to public service. I could go on…

TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 20:56

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 20:53

He's acting within the law.

It's for his constituents to decide whether to keep him as MP.

He is acting within the law, ok then

As long as it's not lefty batshittery

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 20:56

Yuk. Carp are bottom feeders.

And I've always thoughts swans must be horrible to eat. Any bird that big and that flies must be very strong and meaty.

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 21:01

TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 20:56

He is acting within the law, ok then

As long as it's not lefty batshittery

You're upset about my line re Triggernometry? I was thinking rather more the trans issue regarding them.

Well yes if you act within the law that's generally deemed acceptable? Lisa Nandy should go for it and try and get him off the airwaves. That would really show Labour's true nature. It would go down well with voters already concerned about the authoritarian nature of Starmers government.

Come on. It'd only because Farage is such a divisive figure and you don't like him that you want him silenced. I think all voices should havd the freedom to be heard on both sides.
When did we all become such babies?

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 21:04

Sherbs12 · 24/09/2025 20:55

In title, maybe - I think it’s a reach to describe him as either, by anyone’s professional standards. And in all seriousness, it also only exemplifies his greed, his ego and his lack of commitment to public service. I could go on…

Well not really. He was editor of the Spectator and then became a politician. He's a good journalist. He wouldn't have done so well if he wasn't.

I don't see him as greedy..can't think of any examples of that apart from cheese. He's done more public service than you or I in that he's been mayor (a good one) and PM (a not so good one) and we haven't. I'll give you ego though.

TheClaaaw · 24/09/2025 21:07

Sherbs12 · 24/09/2025 20:40

I agree with Starmer’s statement in that article you’ve linked, ‘I do think we should get rid of second jobs with some exceptions.’ My exceptions would be those MPs who are also doctors and the like.

If you’re making a point about Lammy, then I’m not here to defend that and it certainly doesn’t in any single way negate my view that a serving MP should not have a regular, high-profile media role on a so-called ‘news’ channel. He does love the media spotlight, our Nigel and not just the UK - 17 times he’s been on Russian state TV.

By the way, Farage currently tops the list for 2024/2025 with earnings of £873k.

Not as “broke” as his girlfriend then…

TheClaaaw · 24/09/2025 21:09

A sudden, new, hugely pressing issue then, just as @Sherbs12 pointed out earlier.

Clavinova · 24/09/2025 21:13

Sherbs12 · 24/09/2025 20:40

I agree with Starmer’s statement in that article you’ve linked, ‘I do think we should get rid of second jobs with some exceptions.’ My exceptions would be those MPs who are also doctors and the like.

If you’re making a point about Lammy, then I’m not here to defend that and it certainly doesn’t in any single way negate my view that a serving MP should not have a regular, high-profile media role on a so-called ‘news’ channel. He does love the media spotlight, our Nigel and not just the UK - 17 times he’s been on Russian state TV.

By the way, Farage currently tops the list for 2024/2025 with earnings of £873k.

If you’re making a point about Lammy

Starmer's defence of Lammy's £200,000 media work in opposition (mostly his LBC show).

Sherbs12 · 24/09/2025 21:13

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 21:04

Well not really. He was editor of the Spectator and then became a politician. He's a good journalist. He wouldn't have done so well if he wasn't.

I don't see him as greedy..can't think of any examples of that apart from cheese. He's done more public service than you or I in that he's been mayor (a good one) and PM (a not so good one) and we haven't. I'll give you ego though.

Greed as in corruption - come on, you can’t deny that one. Good journalist? Except for when he’s getting sacked from The Times for making up quotations. Like Farage, he can be an effective public speaker (Johnson far less polished though), and like all successful grifters, they have something that appeals to the public (apparently). I’ve got my own theories on why Eton and Dulwich College alumni do so well in media-political spheres, but I’ll spare you.

Look, I think we both know how people would respond if Lord Ali or Bill Gates, or whoever set up a news channel focusing on centre-left politics and news, with senior Labour MPs featuring regularly as presenters. And my opinion on that would still be exactly the same as my view on Farage at GB News.

Sherbs12 · 24/09/2025 21:16

Clavinova · 24/09/2025 21:13

If you’re making a point about Lammy

Starmer's defence of Lammy's £200,000 media work in opposition (mostly his LBC show).

To clarify again: I disagree with Lammy having a media role at LBC while serving as an MP, regardless of my political leanings. I’m also not Keir Starmer.

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 21:20

Sherbs12 · 24/09/2025 21:13

Greed as in corruption - come on, you can’t deny that one. Good journalist? Except for when he’s getting sacked from The Times for making up quotations. Like Farage, he can be an effective public speaker (Johnson far less polished though), and like all successful grifters, they have something that appeals to the public (apparently). I’ve got my own theories on why Eton and Dulwich College alumni do so well in media-political spheres, but I’ll spare you.

Look, I think we both know how people would respond if Lord Ali or Bill Gates, or whoever set up a news channel focusing on centre-left politics and news, with senior Labour MPs featuring regularly as presenters. And my opinion on that would still be exactly the same as my view on Farage at GB News.

I wouldn't want to shut either down though? I thought fresh air/ hearing what people say is the best disinfectant? We aren't sheep. Or if some of us are none of us know who! If Lord Ali had a news show and people actually found him interesting then good luck to him.

I can't be bothered to argue about Boris if that's OK (and I know I was the one who brought him up. Sorry). He's yesterdays man now and a big cause of all the trouble the country is in now re immigration. So I've lost all energy.

BendoftheBeginning · 24/09/2025 21:35

I am a bit surprised to find this conversation has turned to equating swans with carp, and also seeing carp maligned for being bottom feeders. There’s nothing wrong with carp, or catfish - that’s a myth spread by people who mainly eat their fish battered or breaded.

(Justice for carp!)

Clavinova · 24/09/2025 21:38

BendoftheBeginning · 24/09/2025 21:35

I am a bit surprised to find this conversation has turned to equating swans with carp, and also seeing carp maligned for being bottom feeders. There’s nothing wrong with carp, or catfish - that’s a myth spread by people who mainly eat their fish battered or breaded.

(Justice for carp!)

Farage talked about swans and carp;

The Reform UK leader suggested that eastern European migrants are taking swans from Royal Parks and carp from ponds across the UK to eat.

Sherbs12 · 24/09/2025 21:40

All political debates seem to lead to Boris, and yes, I share your lack of appetite for looking backwards and/or Boris.

I hear you, but the problem is that lots of people then stick to those echo chambers with little deviation, so it narrows and consolidates, rather than widens voices heard.

BendoftheBeginning · 24/09/2025 21:42

Yes, and he is attempting to make eating carp sound like eating pets. Fish need a license, and that’s quite straight forward to sort. Swans we approach differently because they’re regarded as belonging to the crown, but it doesn’t make them actually worse to eat than any other game bird. (Though I did enjoy the vapours over eating game earlier - historically swans and game were very British things to eat, even if they were reserved for the wealthy.)

TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 21:51

Lifeinthepit · 24/09/2025 21:01

You're upset about my line re Triggernometry? I was thinking rather more the trans issue regarding them.

Well yes if you act within the law that's generally deemed acceptable? Lisa Nandy should go for it and try and get him off the airwaves. That would really show Labour's true nature. It would go down well with voters already concerned about the authoritarian nature of Starmers government.

Come on. It'd only because Farage is such a divisive figure and you don't like him that you want him silenced. I think all voices should havd the freedom to be heard on both sides.
When did we all become such babies?

Batshittery of the left were your words

And nobody is trying to silence Farage

He should be challenged abour his lies, like this benefit lie to deport immigrants

TopPocketFind · 24/09/2025 21:52

Clavinova · 24/09/2025 21:38

Farage talked about swans and carp;

The Reform UK leader suggested that eastern European migrants are taking swans from Royal Parks and carp from ponds across the UK to eat.

Why would he say that?