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What are hard left policies?

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AntoniasOuting · 20/07/2025 09:35

I have googled away, and can’t find a definitive answer. I don’t mean general left-wing ideas, but extreme left. I suppose the Greens include some of them, but I’d be interested to know what an actual manifesto included.

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SaintGermain · 20/07/2025 18:09

Far-left politics are politics further to the left on the political spectrum than the standard political left.

The term encompasses a variety of ideologies, from socialism to anarchism.

In certain instances—especially in the news mediafar left has been associated with some forms of authoritarianism, anarchism, communism, and Marxism, or are characterized as groups that advocate for revolutionary socialism and related communist ideologies, or anti-capitalism and anti-globalization. Far-left terrorism consists of extremist, militant, or insurgent groups that attempt to realize their ideals through political violence rather than using democratic processes.

take from - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-left_politics

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in other words, absolutely abhorrent views.

Greenbird88 · 20/07/2025 18:12

Have a look at the Socialist Workers Party (SWP). They have a website: https://socialistworker.co.uk/swp-meetings/the-communist-manifesto/

KassandraOfSparta · 20/07/2025 18:14

I would say - and I'm not an expert - policies we used to have in the UK and which were abandoned. 90% tax or higher after a certain level of income. Nationalised industries - not just services like water or gas, but factories like British Leyland, British Steel, British Airways. No attempt to be profitable or competitive because the government is paying. Very strong trade unions, allowing things like union members in one industry striking to support other union members in entirely different industries. Allowing things like strikes without ballots.

AntoniasOuting · 21/07/2025 10:44

I had a look at the SWP link - but still no info on what they would actually do .

And I think “workers” is a bit 1970s. We don’t have factories/heavy industry any more so I’m not sure who they are supposedly representing.

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 21/07/2025 10:46

You haven’t googled, from what I can see.

AntoniasOuting · 21/07/2025 12:22

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spoonbillstretford · 21/07/2025 12:24

We don’t have factories/heavy industry any more so I’m not sure who they are supposedly representing.

Yes we fucking do, in spite of the best efforts of government, we still make things, build things and have hundreds of specialist manufacturing and engineering SMEs.

Fleetheart · 21/07/2025 12:28

Well we are all workers aren’t we? It’s about giving more power to those who work rather than those who employ them having all the power.

twistyizzy · 21/07/2025 12:31

AntoniasOuting · 21/07/2025 10:44

I had a look at the SWP link - but still no info on what they would actually do .

And I think “workers” is a bit 1970s. We don’t have factories/heavy industry any more so I’m not sure who they are supposedly representing.

They mean union members

They certainly don't mean workers who earn 40K+

Pistachiocake · 21/07/2025 12:32

Depends on your view. Even in Politics/Philosophy classes, this can be debated, so while you can google answers, people have different views. Some might say refusing private health care for your child, even if she's in agony, and waiting for treatment/would benefit from treatment not available on the NHS, is hard left. Others wouldn't.

Octavia64 · 21/07/2025 12:51

Ok, so. I’m bored as I switched the hot water off when I went on holiday and now I’m waiting for it to heat up so I can have a shower.

hard left is usually considered to be communism/socialism. So an example of states that had those policies would be the Soviet Union from 1918-1990, China from 1949- arguably 1970 or so, Vietnam from 1970s onwards and Laos.

China is a bit complicated because officially it is still a communist country but it doesn’t really fit the definition any more.

so,

in general hard left policies are about running society for the benefit of the workers with the state in charge.

“the workers” can be argued about until the cows come home but it is basically the people who do stuff. Cleaners, carers, nurses, teachers, people who work in factories, railway staff, call centre workers as well as accountants, engineers, lawyers, managers and computer programmers.

if you do a job (paid or unpaid) you are a worker.

so hard left policies involve no (or very little) private property. The state owns everything (or nearly everything). Think of it as like working for a big company overseas. You work for the company. You live in company housing that is tied to your job. You shop at the company shop.

so in China or Russia you would be assigned housing. If you are single it might be in a dorm with other single people who also work at your company. If you have kids it might by in family housing.

a bit like how the Army has housing on army bases and as soldiers are moved around their families move with them and are assigned a new house on the new army base.

if you want to change job you apply for it just like it’s a big company and you are moving departments. Many other people might apply and the HR people in the new department decide who gets the job. Much like in capitalism, they’ll decide based on qualifications and recommendations from your current boss.

in terms of getting food and clothing etc, there’s basically two ways hard left systems run it. The first is rationing. So like during the Second World War here, you’ll get given a ration book and you swop tokens for food and clothing. Both Russia and China had canteen systems where there was a canteen at your workplace where you could get breakfast/lunch/dinner and there were also canteens on the roads where you could go outside your workplace. I’ve been to a few in Russia (pre-war) and honestly they’re pretty good.

the other way is a money system, so China had this. You got paid money for your job, and canteen meals at your workplace were free (or included in your job) but if you wanted to go elsewhere you used your money.

in both cases because meals were pretty much centralised there wasn’t an expectation of cooking at home - you could, but in general you ate communally.

clothes - again, workplace clothes would be issued by your workplace. A bit like hospitals have scrubs and the army has uniform your employer would give you clothing for work. Clothing outside of work would be above and beyond that and would be either by rations or by money depending.

in theory this means everyone (adult) is assigned a job. That workplace gives them somewhere to live, feeds them and clothes them. So (again, in theory) no-one goes hungry or unclothed or homeless.

in practice it never really worked out like that….

MsAmerica · 22/07/2025 00:34

I know this isn't what you're asking, but may I point out that in real life, far-left seems to be much rarer than far-right?

Fleetheart · 22/07/2025 05:55

…. and even when people say “the left”, they often actually mean liberal…. It seems to be used as an insult for some reason. The Americans have always treated anything even slightly liberal as a step on the road to communism

iseethembloom · 22/07/2025 07:06

Most things Jeremy Corbyn is in favour of. Renationalising, free breakfasts and school dinners for all primary children, upping inheritance taxes, spring to mind, but I’m sure there are lots more.

At one point he was talking about WiFi being made available to all, for no cost.

Iwiicit · 22/07/2025 07:19

East Germany was a hard left society. Have you been to Berlin? It offers an extremely fascinating look into a communist, socialist state where free speech was clamped down on by the Stasi. I highly recommend watching the Deutschland 83 TV series. It's excellent and will give you a great insight.

BrinkWomanship · 22/07/2025 08:14

Fleetheart · 22/07/2025 05:55

…. and even when people say “the left”, they often actually mean liberal…. It seems to be used as an insult for some reason. The Americans have always treated anything even slightly liberal as a step on the road to communism

I think this is more a symptom of polarised reporting and hyperbole. The ‘right’ experiences the same, i.e. policies /philosophies to the right of centre get branded as ‘far right’ when they’re nothing of the sort. It’s a way to over-simplify and shut down debate. Very problematic for all (no matter where you are on the political spectrum).

AntoniasOuting · 22/07/2025 08:22

The reason I’m wondering is that I read that the next parliament could include several dozen “hard left” MPs.

I examined the Green Party website and I suppose some of their policies fit the bill: open borders with no detention centres, self ID but rather vague on economics.

I don’t think the old-school Jeremy Corbyn types necessarily fit the current hard-left profile.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/08/2025 17:06

AntoniasOuting · 22/07/2025 08:22

The reason I’m wondering is that I read that the next parliament could include several dozen “hard left” MPs.

I examined the Green Party website and I suppose some of their policies fit the bill: open borders with no detention centres, self ID but rather vague on economics.

I don’t think the old-school Jeremy Corbyn types necessarily fit the current hard-left profile.

Far left is thrown around a lot by the hard of thinking. Politics are on a spectrum and hard left is bordering on far left.

The goal of the far left is a classless society where everyone is equal. There's no private ownership, everything is owned collectively. There's no hierarchy, society is run by the people. Everyone has equal access to resources such as food, housing, education and healthcare

AntoniasOuting · 15/08/2025 17:51

Ha ha: “hard of thinking” ….

And then, your next paragraph. Sounds lovely, but who are these “people” running society? May I refer you to Animal Farm…

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/08/2025 18:16

AntoniasOuting · 15/08/2025 17:51

Ha ha: “hard of thinking” ….

And then, your next paragraph. Sounds lovely, but who are these “people” running society? May I refer you to Animal Farm…

Animal Farm is based on events leading up to the Russian Revolution and Stalinism. Stalin was a mass murderer and hardly a prime example of Communism.

There isn't a government in Communism, the people govern together. There's no hierarchy.

twistyizzy · 15/08/2025 19:47

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/08/2025 18:16

Animal Farm is based on events leading up to the Russian Revolution and Stalinism. Stalin was a mass murderer and hardly a prime example of Communism.

There isn't a government in Communism, the people govern together. There's no hierarchy.

" There isn't a government in Communism, the people govern together. There's no hierarchy" Tell the peoole of China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam, that!

Selfishshellfishies · 15/08/2025 19:49

The one I can never understand that they keep SAYING they will do then don't:
Taxing the billionaires, rather than the millionaires, and big business.

People keep saying this wouldn't work but no one has clearly explained why.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/08/2025 20:30

twistyizzy · 15/08/2025 19:47

" There isn't a government in Communism, the people govern together. There's no hierarchy" Tell the peoole of China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam, that!

They're evidently not Communist countries. They're authoritarian countries.

twistyizzy · 15/08/2025 20:32

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/08/2025 20:30

They're evidently not Communist countries. They're authoritarian countries.

Well according to this site, and pretty much the whole of Google, they are communist.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/communist-countries

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https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/communist-countries

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