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Save your NHS - forgive me a long one!!

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Foxychicky · 02/07/2025 12:03

I rarely post anything political and this is out of fear for the NHS and care of patients and service users. Sadly this was inevitable. The Government is systematically stripping the NHS of its workforce under the guise of reducing corporate costs. That was clearly never going to be the case. The cost savings the public read about could never be made by reducing stationary budgets or removing 'unnecessary' corporate functions without forcing the day to day running onto clinical staff. Routinely wards are run by junior Band 5 staff as the Nurse in Charge, with senior staff forced in to non-clinical work to meet constant bureaucratic tasks. This will only increase with the removal of the corporate staffing. All NHS Trusts have been told to cut post pandemic corporate staffing by 50%. With a population still reeling from exacerbated poor mental health, and long term health conditions on the rise the NHS needs to be able to plan and prepare. The effects of the pandemic will be felt for decades and inevitably this catastrophic level of cuts will lead to clinical vacancies not being filled, services not being provided and increased waiting lists. NHS clinical and support staff are being downbanded with serious impact on pensions and living standards. These are not well paid staff at executive level, but the hardworking staff keeping the middle ground. If executive staff say jump they are the ones that say how high. They pick up the clinical staff when they wobble, they balance that with demands from corporate services when there are no corporate services to support them. Imagine a clinician having to provide care, plan how to manage a service on reduced staff and step in to gaps when patient care is a priority while chasing a service contract because there is no one else to do it. What is going to suffer? Imagine a team that for years has supported the trust to keep clinical care safe being stripped bare and no longer able to do their job. A job that allowed clinical staff to focus on the job in hand. Clinical staff leave and in order to save the millions of pounds each trust has be told to find, anywhere from £25 to £60 million each trust, clinical staff are not being replaced. When the money can't be found anywhere else we lose clinicians and as a result services will stop. That is the reality of these cut and run measures. But who am I? An Allied Health Professional who, after 26 years of work is deeply fearful at the uncertain future for the NHS. Daily we hear about 100s of jobs being lost from NHS trusts, and yes, almost certainly your local hospital will be included, some losing upto 800 posts. Now over 9,000 lower paid migrant jobs a year will be scrapped. Clearly the headline suggests a win to reduce imigration but that will impact hospital and social care on a massive scale. During the pandemic NHS staff burnt out in record numbers. They finally left and found work anywhere to redress a completely destroyed work-life balance. Carers in Social care left in droves as the hours in retail were better with better pay. Who took up the slack? A significant number of workers from abroad. We lose that workforce who will replace them?
Now once again the Government decided to announce the cutting of vital services that allow staff to share concerns in a safe space, to raise whistleblowings where they feel they aren't listened to by anyone else. Personally I have reached out to Freedom to Speak Up for advice and just to be heard. Now the Guardian Office that supports those teams is being abolished. We are sitting here allowing the NHS to be destroyed in front of us by 'people who apparently know better'! So please feel free to shout at the receptionist who can't book an appointment for you because there are more patients than staff to treat them. Yell at the ward or A&E staff who are already two hours past the end of a long and emotionally draining shift. Criticise the staff who are unable to support people at home because there are literally not enough hours in the day to see and spend time with every person they visit. Even better sit back and allow this Government to destroy your health opportunities and the teams who will fight for your health at the detirment of their own. But remember these are the staff you applauded once a week for saving lives at the risk of their own and now face unemployment, poor health or are trying to fight the NHS fire with a sieve of water but....hey, old news. This attempt at reform is too fast, too poorly thought out, with no joined up thinking and just a bid to grab media attention. I don't pretend to have the answers like some, but what I do know is the NHS as we know it, it unlikely to survive the next four years.

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whiteroseredrose · 02/07/2025 19:40

I don’t know. I was looking this up recently because we have family in Spain and PIL lived there until recently.

Spain pays less per head of population for healthcare than we do yet the service is massively better.

MIL had a number of falls. The ambulance was there within 10-15 minutes, she was seen and home within a couple of hours and had an appointment to see the consultant 3 weeks later. My uncle had a ‘60 year old’ health check - they found an issue with his heart and again saw the consultant within a couple of weeks. Also borne out by friends that live there.

They are not in the same area but have had the same quality experience. And all free at the point of delivery.

Big contrast to the appalling experiences PIL had when they came back to the UK.

The NHS according to Radio 4 receives as much money as the Portuguese economy but the money is clearly mismanaged.

We need to have a look at what Spain is doing to see if we can learn from it.

Foxychicky · 02/07/2025 19:46

Learning from other countries is the minimum we should be doing. Unfortunately the policy in the the UK is to cut at speed and leave the debris for the next party to sort out! We don't learn mainly because the policy makers generally have no experience in the roles they are given and are too stubborn to take the advice of people who work at the front line.

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RosesAndHellebores · 02/07/2025 20:01

I didn't clap for the NHS, they were doing their job. I did, however, along with many others, enter into a disproportionate lockdown.

NHS staff risked their lives no more than care workers, supermarket staff, etc, and were able to maintain the social aspects of going to work.

When I had an accident a few years ago and had a marvellous (not) 12 hours in A&E, it was not the patients shouting at staff but the staff shouting at patients. It was horrific. Notwithstanding the misdiagnosis I received. It was busy, ramped in fact, in one waiting room. After five hours of hell with three broken bones, including a spinal fracture, I was sent to another waiting room. An empty one. The staff, half a dozen, were banting about their holidays and cake.

I had an outpatient appointment yesterday. It ran 45 minutes late and no apology. One patient at a time to receive a drug by infusion that took 25 minutes. Nothing life threateninh. I don't know why it ran late but there three nurses in the unit. Other nurses dropped by for a chat.

Forgive me, but I disagree with yiur observations. The NHS is an inefficient, disorganised behemoth. The sooner it is replaced the better. Lucy Letby fiasco anyone?

Foxychicky · 02/07/2025 20:09

I appreciate people have difficult experiences in some hospitals, but my observations are first hand, working in the NHS as a clinican for 26 years and as a patient. Everyone struggled during the pandemic and everyone did their best to get through it.

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Foxychicky · 02/07/2025 20:12

Not sure NHS staff maintained any truly social interactions. There was no time to. Many front line staff lived away from home to mantain a safe distance. Any social interaction of being at work was completely overshadowed by the constant fight or flight they dealt with.

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BIossomtoes · 03/07/2025 07:48

NHS staff risked their lives no more than care workers, supermarket staff, etc, and were able to maintain the social aspects of going to work.

Tell that to my stepdaughter who worked in ITU throughout. She worked 13 hour shifts without a break because of the shortage of PPE and lived in a hotel room because the person she lived with was immunocompromised. Her hands were raw and she had weals on her face from the heavy masks they wore.

Every single patient left the unit in a body bag, they were working their guts out to save lives with nothing to show for it. She ended up with PTSD and was unable to face ITU again so the NHS lost a talented specialist nurse.

Foxychicky · 03/07/2025 07:57

BIossomtoes · 03/07/2025 07:48

NHS staff risked their lives no more than care workers, supermarket staff, etc, and were able to maintain the social aspects of going to work.

Tell that to my stepdaughter who worked in ITU throughout. She worked 13 hour shifts without a break because of the shortage of PPE and lived in a hotel room because the person she lived with was immunocompromised. Her hands were raw and she had weals on her face from the heavy masks they wore.

Every single patient left the unit in a body bag, they were working their guts out to save lives with nothing to show for it. She ended up with PTSD and was unable to face ITU again so the NHS lost a talented specialist nurse.

So sorry to hear that. I really hope she is getting all the support she needs.

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RosesAndHellebores · 03/07/2025 08:07

BIossomtoes · 03/07/2025 07:48

NHS staff risked their lives no more than care workers, supermarket staff, etc, and were able to maintain the social aspects of going to work.

Tell that to my stepdaughter who worked in ITU throughout. She worked 13 hour shifts without a break because of the shortage of PPE and lived in a hotel room because the person she lived with was immunocompromised. Her hands were raw and she had weals on her face from the heavy masks they wore.

Every single patient left the unit in a body bag, they were working their guts out to save lives with nothing to show for it. She ended up with PTSD and was unable to face ITU again so the NHS lost a talented specialist nurse.

I will grant you that some NHS staff worked as your step daughter did but many closed for business and did not reopen with any swiftness. Some are still working from home - CAMHS admin here, for example.

Many MH services were withdrawn, routine services were withdrawn (cataract, joint replacements, etc), GP surgeries became unavailable, dentists were unavailable. Services were very slow to leave lockdown.

BIossomtoes · 03/07/2025 08:35

Foxychicky · 03/07/2025 07:57

So sorry to hear that. I really hope she is getting all the support she needs.

Thank you. She’s doing well now but it’s left a permanent mark on her and there must be thousands of other health professionals in the same boat. I see red when I see what she went through minimised as if it was nothing.

Foxychicky · 03/07/2025 08:58

BIossomtoes · 03/07/2025 08:35

Thank you. She’s doing well now but it’s left a permanent mark on her and there must be thousands of other health professionals in the same boat. I see red when I see what she went through minimised as if it was nothing.

I think the pandemic was destructive in more than the physical impact on people's health. The mental health impact on everyone is something we can't ignore.
My reason for starting this post was frustration at the fact that the NHS was 'heroic' one minute and a punching bag within months of lockdown ending.

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RowsOfFlowers · 03/07/2025 09:33

I do think the NHS is mismanaged and disorganised. There is so much wastage. I’ve worked in NHS primary care mental health services for a number of years.

I don’t think this applies to vital A&E/ITU staff however. I think they do a fantastic job, especially those who worked during lockdowns.

GP surgeries need to be looked at - I can’t believe they’re still doing telephone appointments, it’s ridiculous.

I don’t think cutting clinical staff is the answer. This will increase waiting lists. They are what keeps the NHS going, it’s all the background stuff that needs looking at.

PPPPikachu · 03/07/2025 09:48

There are many people working hard to try to improve things, people with vast experience of working within the NHS for a long time.
One of the problems is managers refusing to consider various suggestions, almost in a “computer says no” reactionary way without any consideration.

IMO drastic action needs taking, maybe by task forces that include NHS workers from all levels, (in fact I think that’s what happens, but management block improvement). I know many managers are ex frontline workers, but from what I’ve been told there is very much an obstructive approach to changes.

I’d hoped that some government or other would take the bull by the horns and implement … something, but apparently they’re all ok to let it fail, to leave people scared and often untreated. I dread to think what will happen if Farage gets his dirty mitts on it, we’ll be more screwed than we are now.

As it is there’s a few years to really try to make some changes, look at other systems that are working, but our government aren’t very good at anything doing that.

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