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Trump's latest shakedown of Ukraine.

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logicisall · 28/03/2025 06:25

As always, the devil's in the detail. Latest news is that Trump's shakedown deal for Ukraine would require the country to hand over half its oil, gas and hydrocarbon resources, and almost all of its minerals in exchange for almost nebulous promise that the mere involvement of the US in commercial activities in the country would make the country secure from Russian aggression. It's unbelievable and I want to see Ukraine's response when he has them in a chokehold. The USA is now a rogue state.

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logicisall · 28/03/2025 06:47

https://archive.ph/2s4nb

adding the Telegraph article here as it didn't load in my pp.

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unsync · 28/03/2025 06:58

How are they supposed to rebuild if they have to do that? Where will the money come from? Are there any details about reparation from Russia, and if so, how is that going to be enforced?

ssd · 28/03/2025 06:59

Its absolutely awful

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logicisall · 28/03/2025 07:15

I agree with the writer that this deal seeks to make Ukraine an extension of the US's resources. I'm hoping that the 'coalition of the willing' (minus Italy whose PM seems to think that being female will gain her points with Trump 😤) will support Ukraine so that they can reject this deal.

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logicisall · 28/03/2025 07:48

A comment on theTelegraph article, echoes my own thoughts.

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Trump isn't just appeasing Putin, he's actively getting into bed with him. The most despicable, morally bankrupt president of all time

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NP101 · 28/03/2025 08:57

Trump has to look to appease Russia to an extent for fear of pushing them towards China. If that were to happen it is pretty much a clicking clock for the west.

He also needs to support Ukraine to avoid a spiralling nuclear arms race while reassuring the American people they get something out of it.

It's a very tricky line to walk.

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logicisall · 28/03/2025 09:03

If this is what US support looks like, I dread to think of what the opposite would entail. Plus Russia is already in bed with China.

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MsAmerica · 04/04/2025 00:05

Outrageous! Can you imagine if President Roosevelt, in WWII, had demand that Churchill had over half of Britain's resources before agreeing to send help?

Maitri108 · 04/04/2025 00:24

MsAmerica · 04/04/2025 00:05

Outrageous! Can you imagine if President Roosevelt, in WWII, had demand that Churchill had over half of Britain's resources before agreeing to send help?

The US made a lot of money from Europe during the war.

Maitri108 · 04/04/2025 00:26

NP101 · 28/03/2025 08:57

Trump has to look to appease Russia to an extent for fear of pushing them towards China. If that were to happen it is pretty much a clicking clock for the west.

He also needs to support Ukraine to avoid a spiralling nuclear arms race while reassuring the American people they get something out of it.

It's a very tricky line to walk.

Russia and China have been close for a long time, China has the biggest Russian embassy. Russia, Iran, N Korea, China, all allies.

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logicisall · 04/04/2025 05:49

MsAmerica · 04/04/2025 00:05

Outrageous! Can you imagine if President Roosevelt, in WWII, had demand that Churchill had over half of Britain's resources before agreeing to send help?

We only repaid the WWII Lend-lease debts in 2006.

www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/britain-only-settled-debts.html

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logicisall · 04/04/2025 06:37

What hope for a peace deal when Russia refuses to deal with Zelensky atm?

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MsAmerica · 04/04/2025 23:34

Maitri108 · 04/04/2025 00:24

The US made a lot of money from Europe during the war.

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Okay, but that's not the point.

The U.S. didn't demand "ransom" up-front, in perpetuity.

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 09:35

MsAmerica · 04/04/2025 23:34

Okay, but that's not the point.

The U.S. didn't demand "ransom" up-front, in perpetuity.

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No, they didn't demand a ransom because the war ended the Great Depression. They made a fortune via loans and arms. For example, the US loaned the UK government $3.75 billion, repayable over 50 years, with the final payments made in December 2006.

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logicisall · 06/04/2025 07:17

An analysis of Ukraine's current position from the Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/144fd94a0815d8f7

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