How the mainstream right have failed and brought in fascism

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Traditionally democratic countries voters have voted in mainstream right or left wing parties. Think in the UK Conservatives and Labour. You may disagree with some policies or the way they run the country, but by and large they stick to the rules about how to do business.

Across a number of countries we have extreme right wing Prime Ministers or Presidents who have been voted in, and are no longer following the rule book. Think of ex President Bolsanaro in Argentina who has been charged in a coup attempt after he lost the election.

The most pertinent example is Trump with the help of Musk, who is issuing executive orders abolishing government watchdogs, firing people who attempting to stop either acting illegally e.g. security guards who would not let them access confidential documents. Basically acting as a dictator and bypassing the rest of government.

So how the right mainstream parties failed so that Trump was selected as a candidate and then voted in by the electorate? Traditionally if voters did not want the mainstream left wing candidate, they would vote for the mainstream right wing candidate. Remember in the US everyone gets to vote on who should be the candidate for the political parties. So the electorate voted for Trump to be the candidate for the Republicans.

So how have mainstream right wing political parties failed the electorate across a number of countries and pushed them towards the extreme right wing?

You might also have consider that left wing parties actively help get Trump elected.

Bolsonaro was President of Brazil, not Argentina.

Failures of a spectrum of politicians and political parties - both the institutional left and the institutional right, as well as what was once the centre - have contributed substantially to the current situation.

It's not that. It's that in order to work in a two-party, FPTP system, the middle ground is seen as weak and wish-washy. So no one wants it. The slightly more left parties think they can claim it, leaving the right to lurch to the far right. When that happens the left gets all shocked and distinguishes itself by moving into a champagne socialist, identity politics place (Judean People's Front) because there is less of a working class identity and none of the party politicians are working class any more. All the normies can't bear that. And the left entirely loses what is left of the working class. They keep some of the middle class, but that is in urban centres.

What we should actually do is have a round parliament, proportional representation, a consensus building lens and a celebration of the common ground. A healthy green, left, right, centre, loony party mixture that never gets anything done but doesn't ruin anything either.

Good luck with that.

@beencaughttrollin Duh you are right, Argentina. I have obviously stayed up too late.

@MrsTerryPratchett I do not think that is true, in the UK at least. For years it was understood that the party that won an election was the party who successfully claimed the middle ground. There were exceptions like Thatcher, but Major and Blair both successfully did this. Obviously what is the centrist ground shifts slightly over time. But traditionally, it was where most voters were attracted to.

because trump promised to get shit done and that won the voters ?

plus Figures like Trump capitalized on distrust of mainstream parties by presenting himself as anti-establishment, ?

In the UK by radically increasing migration and introducing the GRA bill, which they shelved, eventually, but all hell broke loose as a result. The right have failed by being liberals not conservatives. They conserve nothing and are only in it to enrich themselves and their friends.

He can present himself all he likes. He is part of the financial elite but he is not part of the political and media establishment which has enjoyed power for some time now. Their response demonstrates that the establishment really really really don't like him.

but he didnt need the establishment he needed the public to get into the Whitehouse

You don't think populations are swayed by their media?

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The Centre has always had an image problem sadly! Even more so now that campaigns are fought and won via sm.

As MrsTerryPratchett said; it’s hard to represent a balanced middle view in a way that is appealing to voters. * *

Also, people are afraid of anything that they consider to be “other”’ and when a certain section of society who live below the poverty line, and increasingly working families, feel disenfranchised from progress; it’s all too easy to latch on to simplistic solutions in the hope that they will deliver something better.

We let Russia pay for Brexit which forced our supposedly centre right Tory party further right as they convinced anyone with a fear based mindset that we were being invaded and immigration became a buzzword for nearly a decade. Idiots.