Lucy Letby innocent?

[dubsie]

I posted a thread a while back saying that the conviction of Lucy Letby was questionable and I believe it might be a miscarriage of justice.

The more I read and the more evidence that comes to the public space the more I think this is going to be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in British history.

Turns out there's no medical evidence at all

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/04/no-medical-evidence-to-support-lucy-letby-conviction-expert-panel-finds

So the conviction has been based on circumstial evidence and a written note authored on the advice of a therapist.

I think a rapid look at this trial and the evidence is imperative.

It’s not ‘people’ though, it’s experts in neonates, experts in embolism and so on.

There are always experts on both sides but if a significant number of world renowned experts are saying ‘erm, hang on….’ then the ordinary person starts to take notice.

And I’ve been on a jury. If the jury feel there is a question not answered or things they need answering more fully they can ask the judge. We did. We were basically told it wasn’t part of the trial. We were asking about the only people to witness the event in question who were not called as witnesses. ‘Not relevant’ apparently. Why? Who knows 🤷‍♀️. Evidence is only given if someone wants it to be, things can be left out. I’ve seen it.

I’m watching the press conference just now, in little bits as it’s 2 hours long.

I have always felt she was guilty. But I’m very unsure now, even just 15 minutes into this.

I have felt uncomfortable about the verdict for a while. I think we over-estimate the abilities of juries to assess and critically evaluate statistical evidence. My understanding is that the shift pattern evidence was very selective, for example, as was the expert testimony on insulin production.

And as is very clear from many posts on this thread, people take all sorts of non-evidential and subjective stuff as evidence when a case is as emotive as this. A jury would have similarly minded people.

The defence failings are puzzling. Did she have the same team throughout the trial and failed bid to appeal? Is there a new team in place now or have these professionals self-organised?

I really do feel for the parents, but surely the legacy they want is for nothing like this to happen again. That relies on truth and facts being thoroughly investigated, which I think is what these latest professionals are asking for.

The medical evidence that there was any murders in the first place has now been smashed to bits by renowned medical experts with no skin in the game

Of course she is guilty!

There's really no 'of course' about it. It's certainly not a safe conviction.

She’s innocent.

The defence failings are puzzling. Did she have the same team throughout the trial and failed bid to appeal? Is there a new team in place now or have these professionals self-organised?

My understanding is that there is a new team now. I’m not sure when they started but I don’t think it was straight after the verdict.

I'm still on the fence... as a junior health care professional years ago when less stuff was digital I often accidentally brought home scraps of paper and handover notes etc in my bag to work on case studies, presentations and even to catch up with work in my spare time. I know it was wrong and I'm not working in nhs now and I'm much more aware of client confidentiality and records / documents etc but when you are fairly junior, it's exhausting mentally and we all tried to be perfect but the learning curve is massive in the first 0- 5 years... as for the Facebook- I don't think that's relevant. There was no facebook in my early days in the nhs, but when you are more junior, deaths etc really affect you. I often recall with great clarity, some instances of things I saw that were not good / upsetting, which I would think about a lot even now. Yet after I'd been working for more years, I guess I became more 'hardened to it' and used to things happening which were upsetting... I think it shows that she was affected by these deaths, which would be normal, surely, especially for a younger more inexperienced member of staff?

I'd be surprised if staff had access to decent counselling to debrief, and she may have used journalling, writing thoughts down as a way of proceessing her feeling and emotions.

It's really tough working in the nhs, especially with very sick patients and where there are deaths.

I also recall the culture of the nhs... it's really toxic at times, there is a hierarchy... plus group think, scape goating closing ranks etc all VERY common in my experience. I've even seen whistle blowers (despite the policy) being hounded out of a job for raising concerns).

That said, I'm still 50/50 I'm afraid 😩... I flit from it's unthinkable that someone could do this and it's more down to incompetence and poor general care coupled with naivety to she did it! 🤦‍♀️, I wonder if we will ever truly know for sure?

I was 110% sure she was guilty, but as time has gone by and hearing more about the trial and the things used to convince the jury of her guilt, and now this press conference, I actually think she’s innocent and the hospital are at fault.

I'm sure that any measure of neurodiversity would have been used in court to explain her odd behaviour. She naturally underwent psychiatric reports. At the very least it would surely have been flagged up by the many people who think she's innocent.

I saw one of her old friends being interviewed and she was adamant that she would never be convinced of her guilt. She said something along the lines of, if you can just imagine, your sweetest kindest friend, then that is Lucy. What a lovely friend to stand by her. If she turns out to be innocent, it must be so nice to have people who know you well and stand by their view of you as a good person.

You are either not guilty or guilty, the case is looking more and more as if it’s an unsafe verdict.

@spikeychip couldn't agree more!

People on here are forgetting all the evidence that was presented at trial and focussing on a group of experts! I’m sure the media and trolls could dissect their professional career in a heartbeat if they wanted to but instead Dewi Evan’s and Dr Jayram/Myers KC are getting the knife stuck in!!!!

Could someone kindly link to the press conference please?

What is not normal is multiple collapses and babies not responding to resuscitation in a way they normally would

How is that down to poor care? Otherwise given the poor care in this country there would be preemies collapsing left right and centre!!!

Also not normal to have insulin administered! This was a fact, it is undeniable

I wonder what the experts said about the insulin!!!

Anyone remember Sally Clark and the so called "expert" who got her sent down?

Maybe we should let due process determine whether or not there has been a miscarriage of justice.

This is my view entirely. By supporting due process, no one is “supporting a baby murderer” but supporting the judicial process, which is designed to protect us all. Full stop.

Always been sceptical from the off. Motives didn't exist, professed her innocence from day 1. Plenty of qualified personnel questioned tge conviction. Bandwagon of tabloids professing her guilt. This does blow it out the water as there is no evidence against her from the best paediatricians in the world who have no skin in the game to protect her, but cannsee an awful miscarriage of justice has happened. Another failing trust from a third world care system unfortunately. Hope she gets exonerated quickly and the real incompetent people are hung out to dry, but as that's looking like the NHS Trust and the police I expect this to drag.

Did you watch the press conference? The medical experts explained how every baby death Lucy was convicted of was either natural causes or negligence, not murder.

Fuck yes. If someone ever saw my search history over the years....🤣

But what I also thought interesting was someone said "no google searches were found regarding the apparent methods of murder".

And you would think at some point she'd have googled something. Especially if she was careless enough to be viewing the families faceebook profiles

If you are nursing sick children one to one, parents will see you with them when they are sick and upset.

It is impossible to get everything right when people are mourning and in shock. Some will just not want any interruption. Some will want support. Some will want company. Some will want to be alone.

It was part of Letby's job to change and wash and dress dead children, to help parents arrange photographs and emergency baptisms, to take photographs and handprints and footprints and locks of hair as momentos. That involves liaising with family at the worst possible times.

Do you think hospitals should not offer these things?

Psychiatrists don’t diagnosis autism, it’s isn’t a mental health condition.

It should be on you tube x