Lucy Letby innocent?

[dubsie]

I posted a thread a while back saying that the conviction of Lucy Letby was questionable and I believe it might be a miscarriage of justice.

The more I read and the more evidence that comes to the public space the more I think this is going to be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in British history.

Turns out there's no medical evidence at all

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/04/no-medical-evidence-to-support-lucy-letby-conviction-expert-panel-finds

So the conviction has been based on circumstial evidence and a written note authored on the advice of a therapist.

I think a rapid look at this trial and the evidence is imperative.

No

Does anyone know why she was accused in the first place?

I feel like it was circumstantial - the fact she was on all of those shifts where babies died (RIP x). But apparently doctors walked in on her doing things too.

It was convenient for the consultants to blame someone else.

And at least one baby who passed away was initially blamed on Letby. Then they realised she wasn't working that day so his case was withdrawn.

Interesting!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/apr/02/evidence-used-to-convict-lucy-letby-is-flawed-leading-experts-say

Expert evidence is now being formally presented and again it brings out the now tired statements about family distress as an argument for a judicial system not to follow process. We have the police calling neonatologists Ill informed when presumably the average policeman has no more medical knowledge than first aid. I think the criticism smacks of desperation as if the police feel this is a personal insult rather than all part of a judicial process allowable quite rightly by law.

Why's it 'news' again today for no reason, except for the barrister to get more publicity. Nothing more to say than last time.

The reason we should all be wary of miscarriages of justice is that one of us may be the victim of it one day, as with Letby and previous cases throughout history. How do you get out of it? Some have been released but after they have lost decades of their lives in some cases.

It seems to be worse when it is institutions 'protecting' their brand. Just look at the PO scandal.

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Her guilt was assumed from the beginning and there was no impartial investigation. The doctors on her unit called the police. The prosecution medical ‘expert’ is retired and not even a neonatologist.
She was stitched up like a kipper IMO.
Her legal team failed her profoundly, they clearly made some kind of tragic miscalculation or surely they would have defended her with actual experts.
I think this trial shows the UK to be embarrassing in its medical investigation systems (let’s mark our own homework shall we?) the use of statistics ( let’s just look at deaths when she was working shall we?) let’s use retired doctors who are not neonatologists shall we?
She has had Salem Witch trial standards - they should have used a ducking stool! Let’s see if she floats.
We should all be ashamed. The poor woman, I cannot imagine what she is going through in prison.

Luckily her new barrister is a total ass kicker so fingers crossed she gets a real right to appeal using real evidence.

It’s a great example of how non medical people (like police) have no idea about medical evidence. I bet the police didn’t even know the difference between a paediatrician and a neonatologist.

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More evidence coming out as anticipated. Going to be interesting watching those so invested in her guilt no matter the evidence or lack of having to back track at one point or another or most likely just melting away silently (that goes to a fair few in here)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14603131/Lucy-Letby-freed-bombshell-email-casts-doubt-court-claim-nurse-caught-red-handed.html

In fact doctors walked in on her doing ‘nothing’ which if she is innocent means she was quite literally doing nothing, if guilty then they allege that she was doing nothing in a negligent way . I believe she was just doing nothing in a way ive seen multiple times in nicu where a nurse will watch and wait if a baby has a dip in oxygen levels but then corrects it themselves for example.

It amazes me that the establishment can't find the balls to consider her innocence. They won't because it means someone somewhere is guilty of a huge miscarriage. And then what about the NHS trust

The latest leaked email from 2017 (not shown at trial) from Dr jayram, he says Lucy called him in to the room when baby k was desaturating.

I dont think "the establishment" (which I'm assuming to mean the justice system) has done anything wrong, of note.

If Letby is innocent, then the problem is with the evidence that was, or was not, presented at trial (and the extent to which it narrowed available grounds of appeal within the court system).

The matter is now with the CCRC (who can conduct a much wider review than the appeal courts were able) but they were only given the medical report by Letby's team ~10 days ago. Reviews, particularly complex ones, often last months or years (I expect this one will be treated as high priority, given the public interest).

The justice system and the police have really messed up here.

There is also clearly a systemic issue with expert witnesses within the UK justice system.

What the Netherlands now does, since a similar case with a nurse called Lucia de Berk, is when there is an unexplained spike in deaths in a hospital an independent team of medical experts comes in to determine the cause. Then if they suspect malfeasance (incompetance or random spike much more likely) it gets passed to the police.

Private Eye has covered various scandals over the decades where whistleblowers in the NHS have been silenced, forced to sign NDA's and put on gardening leave. There is a toxic culture where it covers up anything making itself look bad. At least one whistle blowing consultant has committed suicide. These are the people that the public want to have in the NHS, not pen pushers concerned about reputation

As Phil Hammond said in the clip, so much money is wasted on this and to what end?

I’m still convinced personally that she kept notes she shouldn’t have relevant to certain cases and searched for the parents etc as she was planning to whistleblow and was collecting evidence . I think someone realised what she was up to

Except that at no point either after being arrested, or being charged or during the trial has she used those notes to whistleblow. Unless she’s planning to do it after she’s released it seems unlikely that’s the purpose.

Then it would be absolutely nuts for her not to raise that in her defence. I'm not certain of Letby's guilt by any means, but you're convinced of something that does not make a lick of sense.

She hasn’t really said much at all has she ? From what I’ve read she is extremely quiet? Maybe she’s in shock ? Maybe terrified ? I don’t know. It was just something that crossed my mind as a possibility

No she hasn’t. I think she’s sedated a lot of the time.

I think that her solicitors assumed she was guilty too and tried the case on that basis. Hence why they didn’t get any experts.