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Jimmy Carter has died at age 100.

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ANGIEPANGY77 · 29/12/2024 23:15

I'm American and remember being at college and proudly voting for Jimmy in my first presidential election. What a man of truth and values. I feel so sad. I mourn his death and thinking of the future under Trump, makes me fear for my country.

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dudsville · 29/12/2024 23:18

He seemed like such a good guy. I remember his term with great fondness.

Zonder · 29/12/2024 23:51

What a great age. And a great loss.

mathanxiety · 30/12/2024 00:49

He had such huge moral stature. The next incumbent suffers greatly by comparison.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 30/12/2024 00:51

A great former POTUS.

RosieBurdock · 30/12/2024 00:56

I was reading this. Sounds like a really good guy. He was the first US president I remember

BBC News - Jimmy Carter: From peanut farmer to one-term president and Nobel winner
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c163e0wzgn3o

MrsFrumble · 30/12/2024 00:57

Jimmy Carter was a class act. Before the election he said he wanted to live long to vote for Kamala Harris and see the first woman President, which makes the result even more tragic.

SquirrelSoShiny · 30/12/2024 00:57

He seemed like an honorable man. RIP Jimmy Carter 🙏 Flowers

BettyBardMacDonald · 30/12/2024 01:14

A very decent man and a member of a vanishing breed.

BIossomtoes · 30/12/2024 10:45

MrsFrumble · 30/12/2024 00:57

Jimmy Carter was a class act. Before the election he said he wanted to live long to vote for Kamala Harris and see the first woman President, which makes the result even more tragic.

I didn’t know that, my already high respect for him has grown even further now. Really great man.

1dayatatime · 30/12/2024 11:24

He was without doubt seen as an honourable man which was what the country wanted after Watergate. The downside was that he was also seen as a weak leader in response to the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and the Iranian hostage taking. He also failed economically on inflation and unemployment.

He was trounced at the 1980
Elections by 489 electoral votes to 49 and a full 10% difference in the popular vote as the country sought a stronger leader under Reagan.

So in short he will be remembered by many as an honourable but ineffective POTUS.

SquirrelSoShiny · 30/12/2024 11:39

This just popped up in YouTube for me and might be of interest:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/jimmy-carters-mistake-was-telling-america-it-was-wrong/

I remember seeing an extract of this speech in The Minimalists documentary on Netflix and wondering why people didn't embrace it at the time. His words seemed obviously true. They were a call to appreciate the right things in life - the things that make humans happy - rather than worshipping consumerism. I sometimes wonder if his basic message had landed with people how the world would look now - even when different presidents landed.

If Brexit and Bojo showed us anything it's that a core percentage of people really do just want slogans and feel-good. Houses built on sand not solid foundations to use an analogy Carter would have approved of. I think people today appreciate who Carter was much more when compared to our current crop of 'Leaders' around the West.

(He's also a bit of a cautionary tale for Labour - do the tough stuff now, then promise people their unicorns and sunlit uplands because they alllllll just want a unicorn.)

Jimmy Carter’s mistake was telling America it was wrong

It’s hard to think of a political oration that has backfired as famously as Jimmy Carter’s 1979 ‘crisis of confidence’ speech. 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/jimmy-carters-mistake-was-telling-america-it-was-wrong

CarolinaInTheMorning · 30/12/2024 12:07

ANGIEPANGY77 · 29/12/2024 23:15

I'm American and remember being at college and proudly voting for Jimmy in my first presidential election. What a man of truth and values. I feel so sad. I mourn his death and thinking of the future under Trump, makes me fear for my country.

I'm American and had the honor of voting for him as Governor of Georgia (I'm pretty old) as well as President. I'm visiting family in Georgia now, and some of us are going to try to pay our respects when he lies in repose at the Carter Center in Atlanta.

I think he was probably the best person who ever held the office of president.

1dayatatime · 30/12/2024 13:18

@SquirrelSoShiny

"IIf Brexit and Bojo showed us anything it's that a core percentage of people really do just want slogans and feel-good."

Sadly it's in the very nature of democracy that voters want Governments to give them more but they don't want to pay for it in higher taxes (or at least not higher taxes on them). Governments with 5 year terms are incentivised to prioritise short term unsustainable gains rather than long term sustainable gains.

This has all sadly led to the slow managed decline of Western democracies.

Or as Alexander Tytler put it in the early 1800s:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy,"

Cnon · 31/12/2024 08:15

1dayatatime · 30/12/2024 11:24

He was without doubt seen as an honourable man which was what the country wanted after Watergate. The downside was that he was also seen as a weak leader in response to the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and the Iranian hostage taking. He also failed economically on inflation and unemployment.

He was trounced at the 1980
Elections by 489 electoral votes to 49 and a full 10% difference in the popular vote as the country sought a stronger leader under Reagan.

So in short he will be remembered by many as an honourable but ineffective POTUS.

As part of that bad economy, he brought us double digit interest rates on our credit cards that are still that way today!

MsAmerica · 09/01/2025 01:16

ANGIEPANGY77 · 29/12/2024 23:15

I'm American and remember being at college and proudly voting for Jimmy in my first presidential election. What a man of truth and values. I feel so sad. I mourn his death and thinking of the future under Trump, makes me fear for my country.

He was a remarkable man, and Americans prove their hypocrisy by claiming they want a man of honesty and integrity - and then voting him out of office.

It's SO ironic that Carter, probably the best president in living memory in terms of his innate intelligence and decency, died just as Trump is about to enter office again as the most ignorant, vile, and criminal president in history.

SquirrelSoShiny · 09/01/2025 15:27

MsAmerica · 09/01/2025 01:16

He was a remarkable man, and Americans prove their hypocrisy by claiming they want a man of honesty and integrity - and then voting him out of office.

It's SO ironic that Carter, probably the best president in living memory in terms of his innate intelligence and decency, died just as Trump is about to enter office again as the most ignorant, vile, and criminal president in history.

I think this too. I'm watching the funeral at the minute. Joe Biden looks sad and exhausted it's sad to see.

I feel sad for his family but he led a long life and one to be truly proud of. He was an honourable man.

SquirrelSoShiny · 09/01/2025 15:47

Stephen Ford spoke beautifully I'm really moved by his words.

dubsie · 09/01/2025 21:30

ANGIEPANGY77 · 29/12/2024 23:15

I'm American and remember being at college and proudly voting for Jimmy in my first presidential election. What a man of truth and values. I feel so sad. I mourn his death and thinking of the future under Trump, makes me fear for my country.

I share your sadness, he was revolutionary and a good person. I feel the same about Trump and I fear his threats of retribution.

I noticed Trump lack of respect during the ceremony and that really shows what type of person he is. He lacks to basic material of a good president.

MsAmerica · 10/01/2025 01:21

dubsie · 09/01/2025 21:30

I share your sadness, he was revolutionary and a good person. I feel the same about Trump and I fear his threats of retribution.

I noticed Trump lack of respect during the ceremony and that really shows what type of person he is. He lacks to basic material of a good president.

I haven't seen it. What was this lack of respect? I'm surprised Carter didn't exclude him, as I believe John McCain did.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 10/01/2025 13:23

MsAmerica · 10/01/2025 01:21

I haven't seen it. What was this lack of respect? I'm surprised Carter didn't exclude him, as I believe John McCain did.

John McCain was not a president. It's protocol for former and sitting presidents to attend the funeral of a president. There were children or descendants of former presidents going as far back as Franklin Roosevelt in attendance to represent their deceased relative who was a president.

In addition, to exclude the president-elect would have sharpened the deep divisions in our country. As a man of peace and reconciliation, he would not have wanted that.

But most important. Jimmy Carter lived his deeply held Christian faith, and exclusion of a past and in-coming president, even one who was his detractor, would have been an un-Christian act in President Carter's view.

MsAmerica · 13/01/2025 22:52

CarolinaInTheMorning · 10/01/2025 13:23

John McCain was not a president. It's protocol for former and sitting presidents to attend the funeral of a president. There were children or descendants of former presidents going as far back as Franklin Roosevelt in attendance to represent their deceased relative who was a president.

In addition, to exclude the president-elect would have sharpened the deep divisions in our country. As a man of peace and reconciliation, he would not have wanted that.

But most important. Jimmy Carter lived his deeply held Christian faith, and exclusion of a past and in-coming president, even one who was his detractor, would have been an un-Christian act in President Carter's view.

I'm pretty sure Carter understood the difference between etiquette and Christianity.

MsAmerica · 12/02/2025 01:58

1dayatatime · 30/12/2024 13:18

@SquirrelSoShiny

"IIf Brexit and Bojo showed us anything it's that a core percentage of people really do just want slogans and feel-good."

Sadly it's in the very nature of democracy that voters want Governments to give them more but they don't want to pay for it in higher taxes (or at least not higher taxes on them). Governments with 5 year terms are incentivised to prioritise short term unsustainable gains rather than long term sustainable gains.

This has all sadly led to the slow managed decline of Western democracies.

Or as Alexander Tytler put it in the early 1800s:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy,"

I could be wrong, but in America, it seems to me that it's specifically the Republican party marked by selfishness against taxes.

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