Elon Musk to give $100m to Reform

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The Sunday Times reported that Elon Musk is considering giving $100M to Nigel Farage as a political donation.

Is this even legal? The Trump team got huffy because a bunch of Labour party members went over to volunteer for Harris. This would be a whole other level of outside interference.

I’m not at all pleased with the Labour government, but this seems wrong as a matter of principle.

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It's not though is because in context we are talking about the funding of a party that will see thousands of Brits die because they can't get care.

You do understand what is happening in America and why is musk funding a political party in another country....he's doing it for his own gratification.

Blue Cross healthcare has announced that will no longer cover the full cost of anesthesia if the operation runs over....this is private healthcare. This is what they want in the UK....

I don’t want private healthcare, but we do need reform of the NHS. Norway asks for a moderate copay, with sensible exemptions for those in special circumstances.

It’s not a binary choice between what we have now or US style. There are other countries who do this better than us, and we should learn from them.

Ireland has private healthcare and it's an absolute shambles. Paying doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get a better service.

True, but I wouldn’t rule out moderate copays. I would be open minded.

Wouldn't this exempt many? Who are you thinking it would include?

Wouldn't we have lower frequency users who would pay twice?

Perhaps because you can afford ito be. What about the chronically ill, the disabled and the elderly? One in three children are in poverty and millions use foodbanks; they can't afford to pay.

I've got a 'study buddy' in the USA. A nursing case manager at a big city hospital. She told me that, upon retirement, she will get a lump sum in addition to her pension. Unfortunately she will have to pay $15,000 to an insurance company for a minor operation she had decades ago. She has only been able to pay the interest on it all these years. But surely you of all people would be covered I asked her. ' Yeah that's what I assumed too. But there was some exclusion clause or other. Don't let these people into your country!' she replied.

Norway pays about twice what we do in tax and there wages are far higher and always have been.
The NHS provides incredible value for money and that's why tax increases that support the NHS are a good thing.
It's all about funding and how you value your health and social care. Don't moan about selling your home to pay for it if you argument was tax cuts now.
In America health care insurance companies are now denying stuff like anesthetic if an operation runs over time. Private does not work and the idea of co pay is flawed because of the cost of health care is so enormous that most Brits would be bankrupt the moment they hit the operating table even if they had to pay 30%. It's serious money ranging from a few thousand from a simple fracture to nearly half a million for cancer or heart surgery....

Reform is basically the Brexit Party, which was basically UKIP. Their vote share hasn't increased fundamentally over the last couple of elections, even though they keep re-branding. I don't thing Farage is as popular as he thinks he is.
I think I'd be more worried if they roped in Johnson. People seem to love him for some reason.

I’m no expert on Norway. I just remember chatting to a Norwegian friend decades ago who worked in their health service. She explained to me that when you went to your GP there, you had to pay something like £10. Everyone had a little card to get stamped. If it was stamped a certain number of times in the year, you clicked into free visits because you obviously had a health issue that would be unduly burdensome. It’s a long time ago, but I asked lots of questions. I seem to remember that children, the elderly and those on out of work benefits were exempt.

She argued it was far superior to the NHS. People were more respectful of their appointments and there was twice as long for each appointment.

I’m not arguing that this is the right answer for us. But we do need an answer because what we are doing is not working and it is getting worse. We should be curious and open minded.

If you want to see how co-pays would work in a healthcare setting, look at how they work with pet insurance. It's not pretty.

Before you know it your paying 85 quid to see a GP for 10 minutes like we do with Dentists. Then you'll be expected to find the money for dressing clinics and all your follow ups ...it might just be easier to fund it properly

We can’t “fund it properly” without serious changes one way or the other. We cannot afford what we want. We are a lit poorer thsn a lot of people seem to realise.

Sure, because that's exactly what happens in countries like Denmark, France, Germany isn't it? Or is this just some daft slippery slop argument?

Regardless of how you find it, you need to pay.
Of course we can argue tye currnt system doesn’t work so we need to go down the private route. Which cost a lot of money to everyone

Now instead, why not laying that extra money to the government instead so we can find the NHS properly?
Because I’m absolutely sure going private isn’t going to be the solution. You just have to look at the US. There is a good reason why their life expectancy is so much lower than the U.K….
(also look at the reaction to the death of the CEO of one of those companies…..)

Im not saying some reorganisation isn’t needed. But before the Tories came in, we had a system that was working. Now it’s not. And it’s not the organisation that has changed. So let’s go back to find the NHS properly as a starting point.

This is said a lot... I like to see the evidence that we can't fund it properly without serious change. I remember reading somewhere that we had the best Health care in the world until the Tories messed it up...NHS loses title of world’s best healthcare system | The Independent We just need to fund it properly.

Maybe the serious change should be to the tax system so - we can afford to fund it better.

You realise in France you have to pay about 30% of your healthcare cost. You have to pay to see a GP and you claim about 70% back.

In Denmark is tax funded much like ours, somethings you have to contribute for but it's funded by taxation.

In Germany it's funded by state national health insurance....it's mandatory and is state run and healthcare is largely free..

There's isn't a single insurance company up there....

The hospitals may not be state run but that's the advantage of the NHS....our hospitals are world renowned for research and pioneers across the world. But most are very old and need money and we need proper funding comparable to Germany and France because they spend more per capita than we do.....so it's utter nonsense to suggest we can't afford it ...

This isn't what Farage wants, he clearly states a private healthcare insurance system similar to that of the United States were his own words. He's an absolute crooks....and he will be responsible for thousands living in misery if he gets any sort of power. The immigration thing is a smokescreen for all the other nasties he doesn't want people to know.

And they wonder why the chief execs of these health insurance companies need armed detail to keep them safe. Recently slaying of a CEO is an example when they walk out unprotected.

I'll be frank I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who earns 10 million a year in charge of an organisation that has killed thousands by denying claim's....if anything he is a legitimate target and I couldn't sleep at night knowing the decisions I'm making have taken away a life....for profit.