N Korea has sent 10,000 troops to Russia to fight in Ukraine

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North Korea has sent about 10,000 troops to Russia to train and fight in the Ukraine war within “the next several weeks,” the Pentagon has said, in a move that western leaders say will intensify the almost three-year war and jolt relations in the region.

Some of the North Korean soldiers have already moved closer to Ukraine, Pentagon spokesperson Sabrina Singh said on Monday, and were believed to be heading for the Kursk border region, where Russia has been struggling to push back a Ukrainian incursion.

Earlier on Monday, Nato secretary-general Mark Rutte confirmed recent Ukrainian intelligence reports that some North Korean military units were already in the Kursk region.

The South Korean president, Yoon Suk-yeol, said the developments posed a global security threat.

“This illegal military cooperation between Russia and North Korea is a significant security threat to the international community and could pose a serious risk to our national security,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/29/russia-north-korean-troops-ukraine-war

This is really bad news.

Yeah, North Korean forces on European continent really weren't on my 2024 bingo card.

Kim is literally selling his people out and the West still concerned to not help Ukraine too much

With the situation in Georgia too, I do think that the West is being complacent. Add the potential for Trump to be re-elected and it will increase the instability.

I do wonder though how many will defect and seek asylum, especially if they have no family in NK.

You are kidding right, we have funded this war even before Russia crossed it's borders.

Can you distinguish this invasion and Israels invasion of Gaza and Lebanon...we support one invasion but against the other....I can tell you Israel have killed more civilians than Russia have.

The Ukraine should have been settled by the west and the disputed territories should have been handed to Russia to avert war.

Russia is on the verge of collapse which will cause major problems for countries in Europe as it will bring huge instability and the threat of more regional wars. Ukraine has had it's internal wars for decades but no one talks about it. Simon Reeves investigation pointed this out many years ago...

I don't support the Ukraine although I pitty the poor souls caught up in it. Is Russia right absolutely not but I struggle to find any reason why it wouldn't it invade...

I think many of you need to wake up to the reality and Russia will always protect it's strategic interests

It’s a training exercise for the north koreans isn’t it. Feel sorry for them, doubt many are volunteers.

@dubsie

"..I can tell you Israel have killed more civilians than Russia have."

That's impossible to state given the Hamas Health Ministry figures do not distinguish between Hamas and civilian deaths - they just give one figure.

Is Russia right absolutely not but I struggle to find any reason why it wouldn't it invade...
Seriously?!

Russia has absolutely no right over any of the territories of Ukraine it has tried to take over. It has breached international laws. Bringing in Gaza is whataboutery.

This agreement probably stems from around last autumn when Macron was announcing 10,000 French troops would be sent to Ukraine.

NK would not have done this without China’s permission either.

When is a world war a world war, are there ‘criteria’? <off to google>

Hmmm probably not the most helpful or sensible announcement by Macron.

Very true, but Macron is like that, he did roll it back when Putin threatened to put those troops at the top of the targeting list.

Russia has the right to protect it's interests, the war is simply an extension of that. It was wrong to invade and I'll say that about any invasion regardless of the cause and I say that because there's better ways to resolve conflicts than war

I'm no fan of Putin and I've made my opinions abundantly clear but this conflict could be seen brewing from space and has been on the cards for almost 20 years. The yanks simply threw fuel on the fire and armed the Ukrainian military and militias and Russia did the same with pro Russian separatists. It was a war that could have been avoided by simply accepting a middle ground approach rather than an American anti Russian approach.

Israel is completely relevant because once again a regime heavily armed by the Americans....it will not be allowed to fail because it would damage American influence in the middle east....so my conclusion is simple and factual.

Where you have American influence you'll always have war. It's how Americans operate....the dollar is it's biggest export and it needs those in the middle east to accept the dollar as it's preferred trade for oil etc....same applies to the Ukraine. It won't be allowed to fail and the west will pump billions in order that Russia fails regardless of the consequences of that. A failed Russian empire would be disastrous for all those living in Europe.... regional leaders would battle for independence and fractions would break up causing more deadly conflicts

@dubsie

"A failed Russian empire would be disastrous for all those living in Europe.... regional leaders would battle for independence and fractions would break up causing more deadly conflicts"

Whilst I disagree with much of your post, I do agree that a failed and fragmented Russia, armed with a lot of nuclear weapons, in a state of civil disorder is a very realistic scenario that the West should do everything to avoid.

I equally think that all those who think that the removal of Putin would magically usher in some benevolent democratic leader are woefully misguided and that if Putin were removed then it is quite likely that the next Russian leader would be a lot worse.

What is the middle ground between democracy leaning and authoritary leaning?

Russia doesn't have any rights on Ukraine. Simple as that.

Russia is not on the verge of collapse. Stop talking nonsense.

@Farting

"Russia is not on the verge of collapse. Stop talking nonsense"

I am afraid this is the exact naive thinking that gets everyone including the West into trouble.

The thing with dictators is that they don't tend to leave power in a peaceful manner.

If Russia was perceived to have "failed " or be beaten in its conflict with Ukraine then it is highly likely that Putin would be removed or attempted to be removed in a violent manner. This could easily lead to civil disorder in Russia with every likelihood that however replaces Putin would be a lot more nasty and brutal than Putin.

The thing which I haven't yet heard mentioned in the news is that I suspect NK is just hiring them out.

I don't pretend to know how military support works, but it's my impression that if an outside country want to send troops, they just do it. In this case, I suspect it's not a matter of NK fondly wanting to support Russia, but that Russia is paying for each soldier, just like the way NK forces its citizens to work in other countries, and then profits from their labor. I was reading about this for something like a fish supplier.

Dubsie is one of the biggest apologists for Putin on here, and rubs her/his hands with glee every time a thread like this pops up. Unfortunately, Dubsie is also incapable of any sort of rational argument, as is evident from the comments already made.

Of course that North Korea is selling them.
In the same time it is a bad news for stability at Korea& Korea border, if North Korea will get some soldiers with experience from the real war against western technologies.

It's not "The Ukraine", that's how Russians refer to Ukraine. It's not an area of Russia, it's an independent nation that Russia needs to get the fuck out of.

I hope that a very high percentage of those NKorean troops use the I want to live hotline and defect.

The old women, old men and babies and young girls and boys were all definitely members of Hamas, right?

Don't know about World War but it is a proxy war.

For someone who isn't a fan of Putin, you're quite the apologist.

@ConstanceM

"The old women, old men and babies and young girls and boys were all definitely members of Hamas, right?"

I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make but the casualty figures put out by the Hamas Health Ministry do not distinguish between Hamas fighters and civilians.

Of course you say that in your opinion it is x % Hamas and y% civilians including old women, old men, children etc but the reality is only Hamas Health Ministry knows the split and not you or I.

Does America have a good track record of removing dictators and replacing them with a democratically elected leader resulting in an improved and stable economy?

Iraq and Afghanistan... I wouldn't say so.

I'm sure I'm missing some more.

America is far more interfering than people think IMO.

I also remember a documentary aired around the time when the war in Iraq started and an American politician explained why war was good for their economy with all the contracts available. I have brain fog and wish I could remember more but it did explain why there is no incentive for them to support peace. Hence we have 2 current wars funded by America. Started not too long after they left Afghanistan.