Anyone else irritated by the media coverage of budget?

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Clearly, if it was at all possible then Labour would want to spend billions / on public services, fixing everything. The fact that they are having to be so frugal is NOT what they would choose, politically or materially!

Clearly it's the last government's fault we are in this position. And yet Labour are the bad guys, according to the press, and even the BBC and the Guardian are contributing to this stoking of negativity and fear.

What are they supposed to do in terms of the budget?

They must find the money from somewhere. They've promised to protect working people, employees NI, income tax etc. So they have to find it from somewhere. It might be employers, or inheritance tax loopholes, or benefit loopholes.

They are damned if they do and if they don't aren't they?

Because privatisation has worked so well - the railways and water industry are shit, literally in the case of the latter. How on earth does introducing a new cost in the form of profit improve public services? I thought this Thatcherite nonsense had long been debunked.

Yes, the media is being very annoying as though people will be reduced to penury by a bit more tax. My husband's field of work has gone dead and he's probably about to run out of money job hunting soon so I'll have to hold up the household on my salary for a bit but I could still absolutely pay more tax even then as I earn decently above national average.

Labour needs to pull their finger out and tax big businesses and the mega rich much more though, it's bullshit that they'll all move somewhere else if they have to pay what will amount to a fraction more tax for them.

It is odd. Some posters on this thread don't want the well off to shoulder all the burden, yet when Labour announces something that will affect people on lower incomes too, they don't like that either.

What do they want?

They are all v bitter, pronounce themselves patriotic British but would rather the country went to hell in a hand cart, then Labour be successful, in fact, if they could, they'd actively set about our demise under Labour, just as Hunt has tried to do with his NI cuts.

Tories had 14 years, 14 years in which to show us all, that the Cons can transform the country for the better, even allowing for CV and Ukraine, they had 10 years.... yet wrecked everything, by 2015, the NHS was missing every target they were previously making and the country owed more than it ever had under Labour.
By 2020, the NHS was a mess 4m on waiting lists, pandemic response collapsed due to cuts and then of course, they gave us the worse possible Brexit deal, short of no deal at all.... just as Covid hit, we had Bojo, not content with that, Liz Truss.

Yet have the bare faced cheek to say Labour have failed.... less than 4 months in.

Ignoring the nonsense in the pp which is just laughable at this point, how about the pledge of 'fully funded, fully costed'.

Exactly.

If Labour fail it's on them, I know people get wrapped up in posts on here, but really look to who is actually making decisions.

If it's hitting pensioners 2.5m in hardship, or bus fares, then it's nothing to do with anyone on here, that didn't vote for them anyway

All this 'bitter' stuff is just creative writing and pointless attacks based on pretty much nothing.

If you really think that you’ve been asleep for the last 14 years and oblivious to who was making the decisions all that time. You voted for the mess if you voted Tory and are now complaining when it has to be cleaned up.

Ideallogically, I believe in everyone paying some NI. I hate the way National Insurance Contributions are increasingly referred to as a tax and I don't like any party 'lifting people out of NI'. I don't care if this post is a non-sequitur.

Labour voters got what they're after, nothing to do with me

We'll see if they can get the growth they pledged as they'll need it. Right now they're failing on that lovely pre GE line 'fully funded, fully costed'. Oh and that pesky 'smash the gangs'

If they fail look to them. Obviously it's doubtful for some, but off mn plenty already are. It's nowhere near as positive as pre GE, again nowt to do with anyone here, just public sentiment.

In case I'm fiscally challenged by Friday I think I'll blue £10 on a coffee and toasted panino tomorrow, and sit reading my book, looking forward to a week which will include the Budget, the announcement of the Tory party leader, a bit of a bonfire if we ever get a drying wind, and an election in the USA.
By gum, it's going to be busy on Radio 4's Dead Ringers on Friday.

How do you define 'a working woman'?

You'll be staring into the harsh light of fiscal reality by Friday I'm afraid, possibly working or out

You'll be staring into the harsh light of fiscal reality by Friday I'm afraid, possibly working or out

Yet another example of the Tory faithful bitter about such a GE loss & wanting to see Labour fail.

Don't even know whats in the budget yet super keen to spread the scare story narrative....

Changes in CGT rates and IHT (if they happen) wont affect the vast majority, not even LLs, as it would only apply when selling & if you re dead.. well, who cares...

Bus fare subsidy was a temp policy, due to be stopped end of this year, note Hunt never extended it when he had the chance.... its unaffordable and doesn't target the least well off.

Another Labour poster going on about 'bitter'

Creative writing based on nowt.

What’s fictitious?

And who seems to have missed it was Starmer's statement today

Sir Keir Starmer has given a speech to prepare the ground for Wednesday's Budget, saying Britain "must embrace the harsh light of fiscal reality"

I mean if you're going to credit the person saying it go for Starmer.

Are people on mn Labour threads too much and missing the press?

Shame

'Fully funded, fully costed'

I recall you backing that too to the end of days pre GE, the usual backlash to anyone who suggested tax rises.

And there you go. Tax rises

Every single post some Tory supporters write, is full of bitterness, these people cannot even give the new Govt 12months and wish it well...

No chance! all they do is moan... deliberately ignoring the simple fact that Hunt cut NI and no means of funding it, leaving it for Labour to do, knowing full well they cannot reverse it.

Like i said, they had a good run..14 years, plenty of time to improve the country but they didn't, they made it worse, far worse and now are hell bent on making life as hard as possible for Labour.

I certainly knew they'd be tax rises & it was widely reported in the media too & Labour stuck to their mantra of no income tax, vat or NI rises.... zero mention of IHT or CGT.... so thats always been on the cards.

Again as it seems to have been missed

Sir Keir Starmer has given a speech to prepare the ground for Wednesday's Budget, saying Britain "must embrace the harsh light of fiscal reality"

It was from Labour. If it's 'bitter' write him a letter and let him know.

And all the anger and bitterness seems to be coming from pro Labour anyway. I knew this stuff was coming, tax rises, increased deaths and crossings even as the same pp barraged they wouldn't happen, god knows why. So all these posts are just nonsense really.

Recollections may vary. I certainly mocked Hunt’s promise of tax cuts. I was right, wasn’t I?

No you were wrong, apparently they were going to use Rwanda money and use money wisely and no tax rises

And those crossings.. that was wrong too

I was absolutely right. Hunt promised billions worth of tax cuts and to abolish NI when it was patently obvious there was no money for any of it. Rwanda was never going to pay for much, despite being a scandalous waste of money.

I recall the backlash on any post that suggested tax rises from the same posters

They got it wrong. We do have tax rises.

So many posts in the tone of the one below, it doesn't change. No bitterness here as much as the same poster keeps trying to angle that attack but pretty much what I thought pre GE is happening so there you go, depressing still

The Tories were openly laughing and commenting about what the new government would face, weren't they, so no idea why there is now a chorus of surprise and concern.