Grenfell Inquiry report publication

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https://m.youtube.com/c/GrenfellTowerInquiry

I wish I could say I'm shocked, it's utterly appalling how many people were complicit https://apple.news/AL-UKWMYFTrS3-zEpwLASpQ

No heads will roll and likely few lessons will be learned.

7 years!. Incredible.

Following. I haven’t read it yet but will.

The inquiry head has not pulled any punches, wait for the prosecutions a few people should be heading for jail time

And then, not long after the report is out, we have this breaking news:

Fire breaks out at high-rise flats in
Catford

70 firefighters and 10 fire engines attending

I am just shocked that it took 7 years and £170 million to conclude that:

1. Cladding buildings in a flammable material is not a good idea.
2. telling people in a burning building to stay there rather than get out was not the best advice.

What's more is that no prosecutions are expected to be made until 2026 by which time the relevant companies will have long been wound up and their owners lying in the sun in some distant land.

The £170 million would have been better spent building homes for those on housing waiting lists.

@1dayatatime Even if you read just the headline failures, it’s way more than you suggest. This inquiry had to get to the bottom of everything and all involved! It’s not just a cladding issue if you actually read the report. There’s a myriad of failures from covering up fire test results, London Fire Brigade leadership, LBKC housing and management of distaster planning, all governments in failing to respond to other fires with robust changes, building regs unfit for purpose, manufacturers lying: there’s 1700 pages saying far more than you’ve outlined. We did need to know ALL of it!

The investigation is damning. But what will the consequences be? Will there be prosecutions?? There should be.

From what I have read to date, the only people to come out of this with any credit are the local voluntary groups, the rest were a dangerous pathetic shambles

Prosecutions will be hard and length and at public expense unfortunately.

I think Grenfell is symbolic of the gulf of inequality between immigrant ethnic minorities and the professional middle classes in London boroughs. I guess a lot of city types pass such towers without a thought to the inhabitanrs, their loves, schooling, communities, jobs etc. Grenfell highlighted these lives and their end.

I’ll be reading this tonight. I remember the shock I felt when Grenfell happened. I’d just left London a few days earlier after staying at a friends for a month in Camden.

I'm amazed that no one is in prison, from selling the insulation all the way to the social landlord. At one point they were trying to blame the fire service who were just following protocols.

Had this been a upmarket block of flats heads would be on spikes. How many flats still have this insulation? I bet there are thousands, how many flats have had renovations and no one has inspected the fire integrity of the property after.

I do a lot of landlord certs and the amount you are expected to get through in a day is shocking. The findings never get out right unless it results in a boiler or gas going off.

The middle classes of this country don't have a clue, they would be an army of pen pushers and surveyors in charge of those flats and not one picked up anything wrong. They go home every day to comfortable leafy suburbs....

I have absolutely no faith in this country at all, it's corrupt to the core.

Am now listening to Grenfell: Building a Disaster on BBC Sounds.

And remembering my original fire training when i moved into the heakthcare system in the mid 1990s (had similar training at that tjme in both private and NHS hospital) by a very old school fire marshal who knew how to put the fear into us, not the fear if God but the fear of him, and the fear of deaths on our hands. I remember him pointing out a chair in a corridor and thundering 'that is a flammable hazard in a fire exit route, if I see that in your building 'I WILL SHUT YOU DOWN'.

And then when I joined my most recent Trust in 2012 I was working in a fire exit corridor that was full of Stuff. Boxes and chairs and bins and a photocopier. I raised this 3 times with estates. They reduced the amount, eventually. But nobody shut us down, I don't think they have that power any more.

Chain of command.... please listen to Eric Pickles testimony....he was head of fire safety before Glenfell. The fat man had a date with lunch so couldn't answer anymore questions..

This is your chain of command....top brass that don't take any responsibility for anything but take home gold bars and snouts in the troff. Why people vote Tory is beyond me ... every time they are involved in some public health scandal from asbestos to mad cows disease

You can read the debate in Parliament with this link below. Quicker than watching it.

quickpolitics.co.uk/apl/h/96c5c3d1-2b17-42fc-88f3-b2cba6e67657

I've read it and watched the parliamentary interviews and to be frank my blood is boiling. There are so many people in that report who are simply on the gravy train with top jobs and accepted no responsibility. Eric Pickles, Gove and don't get me started on the cladding manufacturer. How is it every time these building companies make something dangerous it becomes the tax payers job to fund the removal and replacement. Hardie company was also responsible for making tonnes of asbestos and now under a slightly different name has also become embroiled in cladding scandal although not directly involved in Glenfell.

This country needs a clear out off all these people in top jobs. A massive shake up... dragging these people out and plundering their wealth and status.

If Cameron had any form of conscience that phrase 'bonfire of building regulations' would haunt him to his grave. Regulation is there for a reason.

https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/archive/cameron-claims-victory-in-bonfire-of-the-building-regulations

It's like the Post Office scandal though isn't it. No-one is accountable, or takes responsibility and it's the little people who suffer and are dismissed and belittled.

Exactly, the same happened with animal feed regulations....they scrapped that and we had Mad Cows Disease and the resulting reality that thousands of people now carrying a time bomb which can be passed to children.

The Tories need to be out of power for 40 years inorder for us to repair the damage

It was Gove that wanted rid of experts. It was fairly clear our regulation were too complex but they didn’t take account of manufacturers falsifying fire test results on productions.

Plus this isn’t just a Conservative issue. We have had serious fires with recommendations on building safety during the last 30 years. No government acted. They all looked the other way. Fire tests on this type of cladding were conducted in 2001. It was used in 2016. The Labour government could have said it wasn’t to be used as it failed BRE tests, but they didn’t. It’s a failure that’s widespread and not just a Conservative one.

The Police work to a higher threshold for crime. The CPS will need to be convinced any case brought will succeed. The inquiry isn’t at the same level as a court case. That’s why more time is needed.

I agree that we have shambolic inept leadership in many aspects of British society.

It's the contempt towards the residents too. Jacob Rees Mogg's despicable 'common sense' comments and the council treating them like liars/annoyances.

Id recommend you watch Eric Pickles and Rees Mogg....

Eric Pickles has come a long way since he was a councillor in Bradford, had not appreciated he had made it to Lord, wonder what for?

Well i guess they are all culpable. It goes back 30 plus years.