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Anyone watching Kamala Harris speaking in Philadelphia

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MrsSkylerWhite · 06/08/2024 23:44

She’s impressive! I’ve never heard such a rapturous reception for a Democrat candidate. I love that her audience is taking the chant of USA back from Trump. Nominee VP Walz looked like he was close to tears at their reception.

Hoping against hope that they see the vile specimen that is Trump off in November.

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Sheri99 · 12/08/2024 21:13

Hatfullofwillow · 12/08/2024 20:37

@Sheri99 If that nonsense explains women's lack of representation in senior roles, what explains the similar position of groups, like black or Asian men?

Why must you insult with "nonsense" when I present my experiences with hiring men vs women? Asian men? Black men? I was giving my experiences when I was a supervisor, manager, director of women and men and how some (or most) seem to be. The percentage of males who were black or asian, I do not recall - well for one, an Asian, except he was one of my peers. I've never noticed black men or Asian men behaving negatively, like some women can in the workplace, they act like white men. Well, I did have one black male tend to test liberties with women, but he was only one of dozens so I've never seen a trend in such with black males.

My point that I found BEHAVIORS are far important than a persons gender/sex OR race in getting hired, promoted and retained.

Generally, men don't expect emotional coddling as some women seem to need - or expect, in order to function in work and life.

Another example: when giving performance evaluations and reports to men vs women. MEN do not cry when being given feedback, men do very little "facial" messages (keep a poker face), they don't open their eyes wide - which signals they disagree with an evaluation point, or are surprised; nor do they go discuss their evaluation (or pay promotion or awards) with the sun, the stars and the freaking universe, OR worse, badmouth their boss to others. Men also don't sit in a chair like a mouse or stiff as a board as many women do. Men usually sit in a chair relaxed and confident like they know what they are doing.

yesmen · 12/08/2024 21:28

Sheri99 · 12/08/2024 19:37

Let me tell you from my experience from my first day in the workforce in the mid-80s (and I still work today):

Once I moved up through the ranks, earning my way up THROUGH the "glass ceiling", I have supervised and managed A LOT of women and A LOT of men. I hired more men because I discovered that they were more dependable in many ways.

To many women have home or SOCIAL issues they bring to work or can't put away at work, and they are not willing to accept accountability for their personal life issues. Far too many are drama mammas, and "eat their young" by this I mean they shit on their sisters either because they don't like her hair, or her looks or they are - worse yet: better looking? Many cannot be trusted; many give no VALUE to "your word is your bond", many often don't know what a handshake means. Many women can't focus like men can at work. Most men are much more likely to be "brave" and step right up and say what they mean and what they want, men are more able to discuss their work issues to their boss before going blabbing/whining to everyone else or being passive aggressive. MANY women are sneaky, cliquish, and catty meaning: backstabbing, hold grudges over nit-noid crap at work and are scared of confrontation.

Trying to get women to work as a team is MUCH harder than getting men to work as a team. Women can be like babies and I say that sadly, because I am a woman and proud to be one.

I am shamed that women BLAME men for all their woes. THAT is sexist.

I have been in the work place since the 80s too

I also hire (and fire) people. I build teams.

I do not recognise your work work environment at all.

could it be that you are not very good at your job?

BIossomtoes · 12/08/2024 21:32

could it be that you are not very good at your job?

It could be that no self respecting woman would tolerate her misogyny for five minutes.

Hatfullofwillow · 12/08/2024 21:32

Sheri99 · 12/08/2024 21:13

Why must you insult with "nonsense" when I present my experiences with hiring men vs women? Asian men? Black men? I was giving my experiences when I was a supervisor, manager, director of women and men and how some (or most) seem to be. The percentage of males who were black or asian, I do not recall - well for one, an Asian, except he was one of my peers. I've never noticed black men or Asian men behaving negatively, like some women can in the workplace, they act like white men. Well, I did have one black male tend to test liberties with women, but he was only one of dozens so I've never seen a trend in such with black males.

My point that I found BEHAVIORS are far important than a persons gender/sex OR race in getting hired, promoted and retained.

Generally, men don't expect emotional coddling as some women seem to need - or expect, in order to function in work and life.

Another example: when giving performance evaluations and reports to men vs women. MEN do not cry when being given feedback, men do very little "facial" messages (keep a poker face), they don't open their eyes wide - which signals they disagree with an evaluation point, or are surprised; nor do they go discuss their evaluation (or pay promotion or awards) with the sun, the stars and the freaking universe, OR worse, badmouth their boss to others. Men also don't sit in a chair like a mouse or stiff as a board as many women do. Men usually sit in a chair relaxed and confident like they know what they are doing.

Why did I say nonsense? Because, as with your post about the USPS, what you're saying isn't backed by any actual evidence.

My point is, if white men are over represented in senior roles, there must be another explanation other than we're just so much better than everyone else. Because from my experience, we're not, we're just treated very differently.

knitnerd90 · 12/08/2024 21:41

Well, Sheri99 is certainly no feminist.

Also the legalistic line is garbage. They didn't just care about it not being a constitutional right, because they want to outlaw it, and do! Come on now. (And yes I know Ruth Bader Ginsburg thought Roe was bad law, but that doesn't change the reality on the ground. "States rights" is and always has been code.)

ChiefEverythingOfficer · 12/08/2024 22:54

Sheri99 · 12/08/2024 21:13

Why must you insult with "nonsense" when I present my experiences with hiring men vs women? Asian men? Black men? I was giving my experiences when I was a supervisor, manager, director of women and men and how some (or most) seem to be. The percentage of males who were black or asian, I do not recall - well for one, an Asian, except he was one of my peers. I've never noticed black men or Asian men behaving negatively, like some women can in the workplace, they act like white men. Well, I did have one black male tend to test liberties with women, but he was only one of dozens so I've never seen a trend in such with black males.

My point that I found BEHAVIORS are far important than a persons gender/sex OR race in getting hired, promoted and retained.

Generally, men don't expect emotional coddling as some women seem to need - or expect, in order to function in work and life.

Another example: when giving performance evaluations and reports to men vs women. MEN do not cry when being given feedback, men do very little "facial" messages (keep a poker face), they don't open their eyes wide - which signals they disagree with an evaluation point, or are surprised; nor do they go discuss their evaluation (or pay promotion or awards) with the sun, the stars and the freaking universe, OR worse, badmouth their boss to others. Men also don't sit in a chair like a mouse or stiff as a board as many women do. Men usually sit in a chair relaxed and confident like they know what they are doing.

Your post make me laugh (the sad, tired, I want to give up kind of hysterical laughter).

I run a team of 15 women. I embrace tears, we might even cry together.

We need more tears and less poker faces. We need women who will disagree and stand up for themselves, not men smirking with their feet up on the desk because they are so entitled they can't see how rubbish they are at their jobs.

The women on my team trounce the men - in productivity, humility and commitment.

Oh - and we have no 'drama mammas', we operate respectfully.

Please just own your 1950s housewife in values, I would respect that more than your weak attempts to put it all back on the little ladies.

Overtheatlantic · 13/08/2024 19:14

Sheri99 · 12/08/2024 19:08

Whatever, as if a chip on a woman's shoulder helps her anymore than one on a man's shoulder helps him - except women have to have a chip twice the size, right?

We’re not going back.

MsAmerica · 18/08/2024 03:14

Sheri99 · 11/08/2024 17:15

Dim is a word one can use for men or women, or headlights.

Example: Biden is dim. He does not have all his oars in the water.

Harris is dim in that she has no earthly idea she is being USED by the Democratic elites. Just like Biden was USED by the elites: to try to get rid of Trump because he is a candidate they, nor the irresponsible factions of the Republican Party can manipulate easily. He is not in it for the money or the glory, he is in it because he believes in America. He has a terrible demeanor and presentation in some instances - one of haughtiness - but he is not even close to dim.

Sorry, but it seems like you're the one being a bit dim here.

First, Biden wasn't "used" by anyone. He has run for president before, and has been excellently qualified and vastly experienced.

Second, of course Trump was used, and they love that he's so easily to manipulate (even foreign leaders have said this). He was backed early on by right-wing organizations and billionaires, and "trained" him, so to speak. For instance, they had him rant about immigrants.

Third, of course Trump is in it for the money! Many people think that he knew he had little chance of winning initially, but was in it to monetize the publicity. Are you not aware of the way he has charged the government for housing guards at his properties? Are you not aware of how he's profited from people staying at his hotels to curry favor? Are you not aware of how he constantly talks about money, and can't even understand long-term alliances not based on money? Are you not aware of how he favors countries with whom he's had financial deals? Are you not aware that he's the only modern president who didn't divest?

Fourth, it's hard to see how anyone could imagine Trump believes in America, considering this willingness to trash the Constitution.

And, actually, he's not haughty. He's just vicious.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 05:42

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Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 05:52

I've never witnessed this. In my experience, it's been the opposite. Throughout my career, more leeway and more grace have been afforded to women. And now, simply being a woman is a competitive advantage in the world of DEI initiatives. Don't get me wrong. This isn't a complaint, it's a reality now in corporate America. And good for them, the women's movement has been working hard for that for decades, but don't try to sell me on sexism is still rampant in America. People who say that are politicians and political media.

knitnerd90 · 23/08/2024 05:53

Oh bollocks. And get out of here with the "abortion kills babies" nonsense.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 06:04

MsAmerica · 18/08/2024 03:14

Sorry, but it seems like you're the one being a bit dim here.

First, Biden wasn't "used" by anyone. He has run for president before, and has been excellently qualified and vastly experienced.

Second, of course Trump was used, and they love that he's so easily to manipulate (even foreign leaders have said this). He was backed early on by right-wing organizations and billionaires, and "trained" him, so to speak. For instance, they had him rant about immigrants.

Third, of course Trump is in it for the money! Many people think that he knew he had little chance of winning initially, but was in it to monetize the publicity. Are you not aware of the way he has charged the government for housing guards at his properties? Are you not aware of how he's profited from people staying at his hotels to curry favor? Are you not aware of how he constantly talks about money, and can't even understand long-term alliances not based on money? Are you not aware of how he favors countries with whom he's had financial deals? Are you not aware that he's the only modern president who didn't divest?

Fourth, it's hard to see how anyone could imagine Trump believes in America, considering this willingness to trash the Constitution.

And, actually, he's not haughty. He's just vicious.

First, Biden doesn't even control his teleprompter, so it's ridiculous at face value to say other people aren't using/controlling him.

Second, Trump isn't a conservative. He's a populist. His mind changes with the wind... Except for what's best for American business. To my frustration this is true, as an actual conservative.

Third, Trump (who I'm not a fan of if you can't tell) didn't take a salary and stands to lose $500M for having been president. So to say he's in it for the money is uninformed.

Fourth, he hasn't trashed the Constitution. He worked within what was allowable in the Constitution. Trashing it is actually what Biden's administration has done with refusing to enforce laws to the detriment of the nation.

What is true of Trump is that he doesn't have the temperament to be a good president. He doesn't have the morals to be a good president. And he isn't loyal to anyone but himself. This are valid criticisms of him based on his words and actions. Stick with what's true about him. There's no need to regurgitate media talking points.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 06:08

knitnerd90 · 23/08/2024 05:53

Oh bollocks. And get out of here with the "abortion kills babies" nonsense.

Maybe you should take some advice from Ashton Shepherd, and look it up.

It's a good song btw.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 07:14

knitnerd90 · 23/08/2024 05:53

Oh bollocks. And get out of here with the "abortion kills babies" nonsense.

How exactly would you like me to refer to unborn children?

knitnerd90 · 23/08/2024 07:52

Fetuses. That's the medically correct term.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 08:07

knitnerd90 · 23/08/2024 07:52

Fetuses. That's the medically correct term.

You know, that same logic is how Vietnam became a scoreboard. The Viet cong weren't people, they were part of the body count. And those were armed combatants in a war. We're talking about unborn children still in the womb.

Have you ever seen what happens at the moment of conception, when the sperm fertilizes the egg? A burst of light is emitted. A burst of light. It's beautiful and amazing. How does evolution account for that? There is no evolutionary advantage to that... It can't be seen, understood or even felt for it to be influenced by a decision to maintain or discard it.

Don't dehumanize the unborn. I know in your heart you don't think that way. Whether you tell me or not. Or argue about it "on the Internet" in return, or not. I know you value life. I know you do. I have have faith that you do.

Igotjelly · 23/08/2024 08:10

Oh @Wabash6503 shut up with your 'abortion is killing babies' bullshit. Lack of access to safe abortions kills women as well as babies and access to safe reproductive choice is a fundamental human right. Its not for any man to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. I'm not sure Mumsnet is the site for you if you're clearly so incredibly anti-women.

Wabash6503 · 23/08/2024 08:37

Igotjelly · 23/08/2024 08:10

Oh @Wabash6503 shut up with your 'abortion is killing babies' bullshit. Lack of access to safe abortions kills women as well as babies and access to safe reproductive choice is a fundamental human right. Its not for any man to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. I'm not sure Mumsnet is the site for you if you're clearly so incredibly anti-women.

At what point did I tell you that women didn't have reproductive rights? At what point did I tell you that all abortions should stop?

That's right, I didn't.

I am just trying to bring some sanity to the conversation, because 65M is too many. Plain and simple. And this is in the "politics" section where I would hope dialogue is encouraged. Of you can't handle dialogue, which is foundational to democracy, maybe it is you who should stay out of the politics section.

mollyfolk · 23/08/2024 23:24

@Wabash6503 - what is a burst of light for you is not for other people who don’t want to be forced to be pregnant and birth a baby.

If you care about having less abortions you should be advocating for better health care systems and better access to contraceptives. That’s what actually lowers the abortion rate in countries. Making abortion illegal just forces women to use less safe options to have abortions.

that’s why I’m so suspicious of people “who love babies” and just want to “save the unborn”. Reducing abortion access has a negligible effect on the abortion rate. Increased access to contraception decreases it significantly.

Wabash6503 · 24/08/2024 05:42

mollyfolk · 23/08/2024 23:24

@Wabash6503 - what is a burst of light for you is not for other people who don’t want to be forced to be pregnant and birth a baby.

If you care about having less abortions you should be advocating for better health care systems and better access to contraceptives. That’s what actually lowers the abortion rate in countries. Making abortion illegal just forces women to use less safe options to have abortions.

that’s why I’m so suspicious of people “who love babies” and just want to “save the unborn”. Reducing abortion access has a negligible effect on the abortion rate. Increased access to contraception decreases it significantly.

It's actual light. Not figurative. But that's besides the point. I know you disagree with me, but I still care about you and your opinion. Just trying to find common ground around this issue, because in the end I promise you that advocating for ending the lives of unborn children won't be something you wish you did more of. Regardless of whether you agree with that or continue this conversation, it will still be true. Protecting their lives along with the lives of the at risk mother's most certainly will... But if you give up one to advocate for the other, you will feel that regret later. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both.

As far as labeling abortion in the same breath as contraception, please don't devalue those lives lost by comparing them to a condom or IUD. Let action be what it was actually meant for, medical necessity... And let sexual morality have it's place. Sex isn't that important. It just isn't. Life is.

Igotjelly · 24/08/2024 07:07

A group of cells at conception is not a baby, it’s simply that. A group of cells. A woman who needs to have an abortion for whatever reason is not killing a baby and should never be made to feel like she is. I will never regret fighting for women to have the choice to end an unwanted or unsafe pregnancy, regardless of the reason for doing so.

And the spark of light you refer to is nothing more meaningful than a chemical reaction caused by the presence of zinc.

knitnerd90 · 24/08/2024 07:10

I work in maternal and child health. Your argument is a strawman. I don't argue in favor of abortions. I argue in favor of giving women a choice. The evidence is clear: not giving women the choice can kill them. If you want fewer abortions go advocate for both contraception (to prevent unplanned pregnancy) and welfare benefits including maternity leave, childcare, and better healthcare as well as cash benefits, so women can afford to raise children if it does happen. Because the people who argue against abortion sure don't care about helping the babies once they are born, except when they can feel good through giving charity.

hobby lobby used IUDs (and false science) in its Supreme Court case.

Lunatuna1234 · 24/08/2024 10:26

Hi there

Back to Trump for a minute....

How in any reality is Trump acceptable as a president ?

  1. He is a convicted felon
  2. He incited riots when he didnt like the result of the last election.He does not respect democracy
  3. He is making dangerous assertions towards removing the right to vote.
  4. He has recently been given immunity in court from actions as a president.
  5. He is a wannabe autocrat/ dictator and openly admires Putin and other dictators
  6. He has MASSIVE personality issues including a huge need for approval and admiration and possibly undiagnosed personality disorders such as narcissism.
  7. He has a VP who is far right leaning and his atritute towards women in particular suffering domestic violence is victim blaming and appaling.
  8. Dont think he believes in scientifically proven climate change

Any that is only a few of the issues...

So my question is what are the good points of having such a dangerous man in power? What has he done that is good for America and what will he do that is good for the next 4 years if elected.

This is a genuine question as I have been horrified by Bidens hasty removal of troups out of Afghanistan and its aftermath and by Bidens appeasement of Israel given Israels brutality in Gazs.

mollyfolk · 24/08/2024 10:30

As far as labeling abortion in the same breath as contraception, please don't devalue those lives lost by comparing them to a condom or IUD. Let action be what it was actually meant for, medical necessity... And let sexual morality have it's place. Sex isn't that important. It just isn't. Life is.

I am not comparing pregnancies to condoms. I’m saying if you care about the unborn - why don’t you advocate for more access to contraceptives? This is a proven way to reduce abortion rates. Restrictions on abortions have minimal impact on the abortion rate.

Wabash6503 · 25/08/2024 08:50

Igotjelly · 24/08/2024 07:07

A group of cells at conception is not a baby, it’s simply that. A group of cells. A woman who needs to have an abortion for whatever reason is not killing a baby and should never be made to feel like she is. I will never regret fighting for women to have the choice to end an unwanted or unsafe pregnancy, regardless of the reason for doing so.

And the spark of light you refer to is nothing more meaningful than a chemical reaction caused by the presence of zinc.

It's a life. It's how your life started. All the mothers that you like to talk, it's how their lives started. And you keep acting like I'm saying there is no place for abortion, when what I'm actually saying is that there should be 64,000,000 less abortions (in the US) ... Because medically necessary abortions are only 1.14% of the total.

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