Anyone else watching US dems implode?

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Talk about party cannibalism! Notice how the R's stick together as a united front supporting a felon, but the Dems just can't support their party lead who is president and are tearing their party apart falling for the age agenda created by the R's and running with it? It's a lesson in how to lose an election. 🤦‍♀️ 🍿

The Tories did just that, gave a masterclass in losing an election.

The Democrats can only dream of imploding quite so brilliantly.

In what planet are you on that the Republicans are united?!

They are - or at least some of them are - belatedly trying to deal with something that has seemed obvious for some time. Joe Biden should not be running for President this time. He's too old and not really firing on all cylinders. Someone should have told him this about two years ago. Or more than one person. That they let it get this far is a terrible failure of political courage that may well hand the presidency to Trump, which is an awful thing for the whole of humanity.

Well if you watched the debate it was quite obvious that the candidate isn't all there anymore. I don't know if it is a brilliant move to unite behind a candidate who is showing clear signs of dementia. Neither of those two should be anywhere near the nuclear football, IMHO.

Neither should be Kamala Harris, because let’s face it, chances are she’ll finish the term should Biden win.

America is fucked either way.

*Neither should be Kamala Harris"

Why? As in why more than any other candidate for president in the US?

@EconomyClassRockstar I don't see high-level R's publicly tearing down Trump calling for him to step down as party leader to every news outlet that will give airtime.

The right, pretty much everywhere democratic, is typically a broad church which accepts a wide range of shitty views. The left tends to be more puritanical, demonstrative of values and expecting more outward expression of those values. Judean People's Front, anyone?

That's why Brexit was so awful. The right wasn't used to a hard value cliff edge. Fucked them right up.

Thanks for jumping on @MrsTerryPratchett I'm about ready for another travel thread if you are!

Vhast is dis?

I'm not intentionally watching it but sure, the discussion and dissent about whether Biden should be the Democratic candidate is in the media. Nothing will really be worth reporting until Congress is back in session, though.

I don't see what's happened so far as being fundamentally different in nature from what the Republicans did with Trump in 2016 when they pulled out every recognizable Republican name to theorize about how the nominee could be someone besides Trump even though the normal process for selecting a nominee had been followed and Trump was the clear winner. The big difference is that Biden is both sitting President and presumed Democratic nominee for the 2024 Presidential election; claiming he's unfit is a completely separate process for each and one must necessarily impact the other.

I think focusing on whether Biden can beat Trump, rather than whether he's fit to see out his current term and/or another one, is a tactical mistake. Trump's capacity was officially called into question because of his affect and behaviour during his Presidency - Biden's, more than four years later, still has not been. I don't get the Kamala Harris bashing at all - like her politics or not, she's certainly competent - but no one can ever coherently explain that. And as circuses go, I'd say UK and French politics are making US politics look pretty tame these last few weeks!

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Trump is awful but I was genuinely astonished at Bidens lack of capacity at the “debate”. He is clearly not capable of being president. It’s irresponsible that no one in the Democratic Party said that before now. They must have known

Only the loveliest and funEST thread ever!!! Where have you been? from last year that I think went into a 2nd thread due to popularity! 🤗🤗🤗

They did! Voices are now getting louder and more are joining the chorus.

Strong disagree, OP.

Biden is a good guy who has done an excellent job as POTUS, but it’s glaringly obvious to anyone that he is too old to do the job now, never mind in 4.5 years’ time if he’s re-elected. Which, after his shocking performance in the debate, he certainly won’t be.

The Democrats are in a very difficult position, for which they have only themselves to blame. If Biden remains their candidate, he will be obliterated by Trump. If they replace him, the new candidate will have less name recognition, less experience in the spotlight and they will likely be crushed by Trump.

@StripedPiggy don't think we're at odds... I'm just watching with amazement at the implosion. The eating their own - this late in the game - so publicly is astounding.

If Biden announces he isn’t standing there will be a big push to see him stand down before the election. That would make Kamala president. I have a feeling this is something the Democrats want to avoid at all costs. Even if it means poor Joe has to hang on to the end.

When I listen to him talking amongst the stumbling and mumbling, I am still convinced that he is a safer bet than Donald Trump, who is as rotten as Biden is decent.

@Ahlovetoloveyoubaby and yet the Dems can't emphasize that as a party, as a whole. 🤦‍♀️
They're stuck on defence and can't dig out.

I think they're hoping against odds he wins again at which point he can then step down and Kamala has a full term.

I have my doubts whether Biden can win against Trump in his current state but I'm certain Harris can't and definitely not at this late stage.

I don't see any outcome here that's good for America. Trump and Biden are bad in their own ways and the way he looks now I'm not convinced Biden will live through a 2nd term never mind have capacity. Theoretically the same could apply to Trump given his age but he doesn't appear to be in as bad shape.

Harris won't win the election herself and if she took over early in Biden's 2nd term half the country would probably consider her an illegitimate president. Even though that's what VPs are for I think many American's would feel it was a con.

The only good outcome would be if the Dems could come up with someone who could win against Trump with only a few months to go but from what I've read legally it's not that simple to drop Biden at this stage unless he stepped down.

They've left it too late basically. They should have been honest about the situation sooner and someone else should have run on the Dem ticket from the start.

And it continues....🤦‍♀️

Oh yes, that politician who came out of today’s meeting and just kept replying to the journalists “I’m ridin’ with Biden”. 9 times he said it like it’s been pounded into him but he doesn’t believe it.

I’m an American who votes democrat and I’m so angry at the democrats who are close to the president and have clearly been hiding Biden’s condition, thinking they could pull it off.

Two years ago, something could have been done. It’s too late now. Nobody but Kamala could use Biden’s campaign money and it’s too late for anyone to raise enough otherwise. What a mess.

Biden continuing is insane after that first debate. The democrats urgently need to deal with this. He isn’t formally their nominee for President yet and someone needs to talk some sense into him before the national convention or the convention will be an unedifying debacle.

There is no world in which he can beat Trump now and Trump is a threat to America’s very democracy. The thought of more head to head debates with Trump is just horrifying. It will be a car crash. He has a moral duty to stand down IMO. Trump might still win but Biden needs to let someone else take a swing.

It’s like RBG all over again. Public figures need to know when it’s time to go.