Reform voters - why? Which policy attracted you?

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Why did you vote reform? I'm genuinely interested.

Wow. What a rant that was.

I don’t believe that these boatloads of young men are genuine refugees. The majority are clearly economic migrants

The stats say you are wrong.

Wasn’t it? An ironic rant at that.

The young men in the boats are responsible for the crappy over priced housing that greedy developers are throwing up? Explain that one to me, someone!

For everyone who has said immigration... does this include immigration of white people from australia, New Zealand and Canada, or only non-white people?

Indeed.

Look at how Jess Phillips was treated.
And the Independent candidates that were voted in on one issue.

I didn't vote Reform, but I can understand why.
Especially because of the moral superiority of some of the left- willing to castigate Reform but not look in the mirror.

Accusing Reform voters of being racist is facile. Like, say, accusing the Labour Party of being anti Semitic. Some are, but not all. Most will have voted on approach and policies.

Fir example someone explained to me yesterday that she had been a life long Tory voter but was sick of the Westminster antics. The local MP had been in place for a long time, but had not been particularly active. Indeed he had completely failed to engage on an issue of major local importance. He was not going to get her vote. So Reform got it instead. (We did not discuss him but the Labour candidate was grim. Not least he is very supportive of the trans rights agenda to the extent that he has suggested the LGBA should be banned.)

Is Jody McIntyre an immigrant?

I voted Labour but DH (farmer) voted Reform. Reform and Tory were the only parties with decent manifestos in support of farmers. Labour are going to shaft them. DH chose Reform over Tory for two reasons:

1. Their farming proposals were better
2. The Tories are responsible for the poor state of affairs in the agricultural world as it stands

In answer to someone else's post earlier about farmers regretting Brexit... DH voted remain but most farmers we know voted leave and were very vocal about it. Yes they regret it now.

I should caveat this by saying I didn't vote for them but these were there main policies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqll1edxgw4o
Other than the first one which would never happen and would be impossible the rest all seem reasonable/ I'm fairly agnostic) about them.
Purely on policy I can see why many people would vote for them.

No, but you are being obtuse if you don't think there is a link

McIntyre was standing for Galloway's (also not an immigrant) party. He was egging on his supporters to abuse Jess Phillips. Can you explain what immigration has to do with it? Neither of us know whether the men abusing her were immigrants or British born.

What happened was absolutely deplorable, but nothing to do with immigration. Phillips herself did not link it to immigration.

The real issue with immigration is about who is paying for it. Taxes are sky high and there is a sense that the contract between the government and the tax payer is broken. That tax revenue is supposed to be used for the benefit of the collective British public and they are not getting value for money.

If immigrants had no recourse to the public purse, but expected through employers, directly or otherwise to fund housing, healthcare and schooling for their children, there might be a lot less immigration but it certainly wouldnt be politically hot.

If immigrants had no recourse to the public purse, but expected through employers, directly or otherwise to fund housing, healthcare and schooling for their children, there might be a lot less immigration but it certainly wouldnt be politically hot

The majority of immigrants come here to work and so pay tax.

In the second quarter of 2023, approximately 83.3 percent of people born in the European Union living in the UK were employed, compared with 75.5 percent for UK nationals and 72.2 percent for people outside the EU and UK.

www.statista.com/statistics/915732/immigrant-employment-rate-uk/

The people who come in the boats and claim asylum are not allowed to work and because the system is so broken can wait years for their cases to be decided. That is what needs addressing.

Someone in my family voted for them and the main reason was immigration, I believe.

He turns up at every opportunity for a photo with people who are proactive and get involved more like. Vile man.

I voted Tory and our London Tory MP kept his seat, but I did read all the parties' mainfestos. Reform offered 20% IHT instead of 40% and as my children are homeless due to IHT if I die (as I only get £325k allowance and live in London and am single) that was one thing different from other parties. however like all the other parties they offered no lower taxes for those of us in the top 10% who have had massive tax rises since 2010 (unlike most people who have had reductions). On immigration we have 18m more people than when i was born and that is too many. No one seems able to deal with that but let us see if Labour do any better than the Tories on it. I would rather get to net emigration, encourage 20m people to leave the UK even that meant being much worse off.

I think that it's the shutting down of the subject of immegration.

I think that it's the pace of immegration that people object to, not because of racism, I see that accusation as a tactic to shut down debate.
Since Blair there have been 10 million legal immegrants to the UK and last year there was 1.2m legal immegrants. Only 20% work in the NHS. If immigration levels continue it will be too much of a burden to the welfare state.
It seems sad that the current UK population, whatever their race happens to be is unable to have a choice as Conservatives and Labour believe in mass immigration.

https://unherd.com/newsroom/dutch-study-immigration-costs-state-e17-billion-per-year/

This study of german immegration said this:

The study digs deeper still: annual net costs of non-Western immigration amount to €17 billion and the annual net benefits of Western immigration total one billion euros. Distinguishing between Western and non-Western migration patterns, the study comes to a startling conclusion: if immigration remains at 2015-2019 levels, the annual budget burden will increase from €17 billion in 2016 to about €50 billion. This is an increase that the welfare state would most likely not survive.
The Dutch findings are mirrored in a similar study conducted by the Danish Finance Ministry, which concludes that non-Western immigrants are most likely to remain lifelong recipients of public finances compared to their Western or native Danish peers. Meanwhile, the picture in Germany is not much different: about 45% of those who receive unemployment benefits are not German citizens, costing the taxpayers around €20 billion per year. Austria shows similar numbers, with almost 60% of recipients having a “migrant background”.

Employed full time? Part time? Minimum wage?
As most single people working full time at minimum wage with still receive benefits of some description.

It would be more interesting to see what % are net contributors

Do they? What benefits are available to single working people?

There are minimum salary requirements now for people coming to work in the UK. £38,700 or £23,200 if the person works in health or education.

Universal credit..... I know many single people who qualify for the housing element as wages are so low and rents so high!

They described people with autism as vegetables yet parents with autistic children voted for them there is an intellectual disconnect there

They described people with autism as vegetables

Who is the “they”.

All reform voters, the Reform leadership via its manifesto, or a loose cannon loudmouth.

Only for a single room in a shared house.