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Reform voters - why? Which policy attracted you?

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Flyhigher · 06/07/2024 02:53

Why did you vote reform? I'm genuinely interested.

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Moonshiners · 06/07/2024 09:45

The Reform voters I know have some threads in common:

  1. Get all their news from right wing media and their social media is awash with fear mongering. The policies align perfectly with what this type of press has been telling them for years.
  2. Don't have any friends that aren't white
  3. Are scared of change and feel a bit powerless. So the policies reflect "the good old days".
  4. Range from a bit, but hide it to very racist (hello FIL) and feel the policies reflect this.
lljkk · 06/07/2024 09:52

I feel that REFORM policies aspire to this :

All goods should cost a lot more (result of wanting to inshore manufacturing)
Food should cost more (result of paying farmers more)
Fishing industry should collapse (result of not allowing European boats in British water means no access to Europe markts where British boats sell most their fish)
NHS should have fewer staff (since fewer immigrants to be allowed in)
More polluted air to breathe (result of being anti-ULEZ)
More road traffic accidents and deaths (result of being anti 15 minute cities)
Noisier towns & cities (result of being "pro motorist")
Worse paid teachers & NHS staff (low tax policies, so low funding to public services will result)
Russia should be encouraged to be dangerous (result of not supporting Ukraine)
Pension fund collapse (result of financial markets viewing Reform economic policies as unviable)
Kids with problem should be shut away out of sight to become future adult underclass (result of education policies, they probably want return of Grammar schools, too)

My cousin is visiting UK from California & asked me where are the homeless, she's used to seeing them everywhere in CA, tent cities, but why so few here? I tried to explain the social welfare models in operation. I could see Reform policies resulting in many more homeless, though.

Jackette · 06/07/2024 10:19

@FrancisSeaton I didn’t vote reform, I am not white. To be honest immigration issues frighten me a lot as though born here it’s obvious I’m not white European and if it’s not tackled we will end up moving much farther to the right which is happening already. The behaviour overall of huge amounts of the single males who have arrived is awful. Too many have medieval views of women. Sweden one of the countries beloved on MN as a bastion of social cohesion and fairness has moved to the right, this would have been unthinkable just a few years ago.

Reform are nowhere near as right wing as some of the parties gaining popularity in mainland Europe. When Marie LePenn refused to wear a hijab a couple of days ago when she was meeting with the Muslim leaders I thought good on her and then I realised what a mind melt it was for me to admire someone who makes Farage seem quite the Liberal.

Labour won but the overall percentage of people who bothered to vote and for who, it’s not the victory it entirely seems, they have a majority but the actual stats speak volumes.

User135644 · 06/07/2024 10:24

I'd say it's a mix of two reasons rather than policies:

. The dishonesty of the Tory Party in speaking against mass immigration while doing nothing to stop it (legal migration is all government policy). They won't speak about the benefits of immigration so it leaves a vacuum for Reform to speak against and provide easy solutions.

. Culturally conservative people who are fed up with voting for 'conservative' governments and getting neoliberalism.

But like with Brexit their easy solutions are anything but.

OnTheSofaAllNight · 06/07/2024 10:25

I know 2 people who voted reform. This is what I know about their vote.

The first person has always voted conservative. He was a big fan of Thatcher and, more recently, hopes Trump gets back into power. He is very involved in a Christian church. He is very patriotic, thinks highly of the monarchy, thinks immigration is out of control. He says that Reform's policies align with his Christian beliefs and he pointed out Reform's policy about banning transgender ideology in schools. He's said many people he knows in his church have voted Reform. Most of these people are over 60 years old.

The second person is also a lifelong conservative voter, also over 60 years old. She thinks we will all be a lot poorer under labour. I'm not sure about her reasons for not voting conservative this time though.

EarthlyNightshade · 06/07/2024 10:32

Hiddenmnetter · 06/07/2024 03:56

In the absence of any avowed reform voters putting their 2p in I would say the following:

cause people are sick of the tories, but don’t like labour. Reform fractured the conservative vote. I’m astonished they made 4 seats, but they actually won more votes than the Lib Dems who won 48. Even madder- Labour won less votes than they did under Corbyn but ended up with the biggest majority since the 19th century. FPTP does some weird and wonderful things!

Mostly people who aren’t left leaning are not so concerned with the appearance of their vote or virtue signalling, so if someone runs on a policy of “I’ll sort out the immigration issue”, then they’re happy to hear it. The tories have sworn for years they’ll manage immigration but they never did. Labour advertise they won’t.

It was an interesting experience in Australia 20 years ago when the same debate happened. 50-100k illegal immigrants coming in annually and most of them crowding into the cities. Obviously they’re unable to afford to live in the more salubrious parts of town, so they move into the congested suburbs where services and infrastructure is already creaking. The same debate happened “oh you people who don’t like immigrants/vote one nation are all racist” and so no one admits to voting for reform (or Pauline Hanson’s one nation party as it was in Aus), but they do because they’re sick of having to deal with the issues that immigration causes.

dismissing everyone who votes Reform as racist is a mistake. Mostly they just want to be able to go to the GP, to go to A&E and wait less than 4 hours and to use buses and trains. They get lured in by parties like reform cause the major parties are dishonest.

No one says “immigration is at the level it is because we don’t have enough children. In consequence we need to bring in lots of people or our economy will collapse. But because they’re migrants with different cultural values and multiculturalism is really hard to get right, and we tend to fuck it up, they end up crowding out poor areas where services are already pretty bad.”

i would bet that Nigel Farage isn’t even a racist. He’s just an opportunist. We’re living in the worst cost of living crisis since the oil shocks of the 70s. Even before the COL crisis, wages have been stagnating and inflation rising (steadily around the 2% mark). More and more people are dissatisfied and no one is being honest and explaining what’s going on and how it will ever get fixed. When people are desperate they will turn to someone who appears to be being honest, and at least identifies openly something they experience: immigration causes issues.

Im not here saying we shouldn’t have immigration- it’s absolutely clear that with a negative birth rate immigration is an absolute must. But it causes issues and governments tend to be bad at managing migration. And the people for whom it causes issues are upset about it. So they voted Reform. It’s a finger to the Tories, not an “I hate foreigners”.

Well mostly- there will obviously be some racists in there. But overall I would expect that racism is not why people voted Reform.

This is very interesting, thanks for your post.
I'd agree that Farage is probably an opportunist rather than a racist, and probably not too concerned about the kind of people he attracts so long as it makes him money/ advancement/ publicity.
I wonder if his constituents are expecting him to be a useful MP for them, or if it was a more holistic thing voting for him? I think that Clacton (and some of the poorer areas around Clacton) have been forgotten for so long and could really do with someone on their side providing support.
I can get on board if people are saying that their Reform candidate will work hard in their constituency - but overall as a party, I think they will disappoint when it turns out that they have no intention of carrying out any of their crowd-pleasing policies.

equisetum · 06/07/2024 10:35

Illegal immigration
Legal immigration
Getting people off benefits and into the work place via 20k earnings before paying tax. As opposed to keeping them from working over 16 hours.

Lilybetsey · 06/07/2024 10:41

You can promise anything when there is zero chance you will have to deliver (hello Brexit) hence the Reform manifesto ...

solsticelove · 06/07/2024 10:43

I am not a reform voter but the way I see it is votes for them were a ‘protest vote’ much like the Brexshit vote.

A two fingers to the ‘man’ scenario. People are fed up of the way everything has gone to shit, CoL, underfunded NHS and education, high housing, gas and electricity costs, forgotten areas with no investment, families living in poverty at high numbers, class divide growing, inequality.

I don’t blame them for feeling this way but I don’t for one minute think that Farage has the ability to sort it out nor do I think he really cares about the people. He’s an opportunistic idiot who has an ego and an uncanny ability to manipulate people 😞

Flyhigher · 06/07/2024 10:51

So immigration , gender ideology and change in general.

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Flyhigher · 06/07/2024 10:54

What do farmers who voted for Brexit think now?
Do you think it has hurt you?

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Lalalacrosse · 06/07/2024 10:59

Flyhigher · 06/07/2024 10:51

So immigration , gender ideology and change in general.

We’ve given you a long list and that’s what you take from it? You just ignore the need for urgent NHS reform, better school provision for those who don’t manage mainstream, food security, British self reliance…

Wow.

HarrietTheSpyglass · 06/07/2024 11:00

Literally all of them. but the main ones:

immigration
social media for children
transgender bullshit
nhs staff benefits (I am not nhs staff but I support it completely)
Tax changes for SMEs and inheritance tax.

HarrietTheSpyglass · 06/07/2024 11:02

solsticelove · 06/07/2024 10:43

I am not a reform voter but the way I see it is votes for them were a ‘protest vote’ much like the Brexshit vote.

A two fingers to the ‘man’ scenario. People are fed up of the way everything has gone to shit, CoL, underfunded NHS and education, high housing, gas and electricity costs, forgotten areas with no investment, families living in poverty at high numbers, class divide growing, inequality.

I don’t blame them for feeling this way but I don’t for one minute think that Farage has the ability to sort it out nor do I think he really cares about the people. He’s an opportunistic idiot who has an ego and an uncanny ability to manipulate people 😞

That is a load of shit. 50% of the labour votes were because the morons in this country think we only have labour and Tory and they didn’t want the tories in any more.

I voted reform because they had the best policy and was morning to do with sticking my fingers up to the tories. If I didn’t vote reform I would have voted Tory.

Churchview · 06/07/2024 11:04

I know two people who voted Reform. My brother in law who is a racist and his father, also a racist.

They also think Nigel Farage is the politician most likely to bring fox and stag hunting back given his open support of it. I feel a lot of the rural vote is is hope of this.

Churchview · 06/07/2024 11:05

50% of the labour votes were because the morons in this country think we only have labour and Tory and they didn’t want the tories in any more.

How does that explain the Lib Dem success?

EarthlyNightshade · 06/07/2024 11:09

Flyhigher · 06/07/2024 10:51

So immigration , gender ideology and change in general.

I would say that no one outside of Mumsnet voted for them because of gender ideology.

BlossomToLeaves · 06/07/2024 11:13

I hear mostly about immigration.

Although I think most of them just seem to have a view that there needs to be less immigration generally because public services can't cope, which is probably true in many places.
Instead of saying that we need more public services and in the right places, and campaigning for that, they want to reduce the immigration. It doesn't actually make sense since we need the immigrants to improve the public services.

User135644 · 06/07/2024 11:57

solsticelove · 06/07/2024 10:43

I am not a reform voter but the way I see it is votes for them were a ‘protest vote’ much like the Brexshit vote.

A two fingers to the ‘man’ scenario. People are fed up of the way everything has gone to shit, CoL, underfunded NHS and education, high housing, gas and electricity costs, forgotten areas with no investment, families living in poverty at high numbers, class divide growing, inequality.

I don’t blame them for feeling this way but I don’t for one minute think that Farage has the ability to sort it out nor do I think he really cares about the people. He’s an opportunistic idiot who has an ego and an uncanny ability to manipulate people 😞

A lot of these things led to a Farage inspired Brexit which has just made each problem worse.

The man has no answers to any problems and as an uber-Thatcherite he's part of the problems created.

User135644 · 06/07/2024 11:59

Churchview · 06/07/2024 11:04

I know two people who voted Reform. My brother in law who is a racist and his father, also a racist.

They also think Nigel Farage is the politician most likely to bring fox and stag hunting back given his open support of it. I feel a lot of the rural vote is is hope of this.

He's more likely to do that than bring any positive change for the working class voters flocking to Reform/UKIP/Brexit.

It's just turkeys voting for Christmas with the above but it's also a failure of the main parties.

Labour have 5 years to bring positive change to people's lives. If they don't then more will flock to Reform.

ImPunbelievable · 06/07/2024 12:02

Letsgetausername · 06/07/2024 07:21

What I don't think many on Mumsnet understand is that many parts of the UK have their own identity that's separate to London. They don't want all the immigration that idealists from other parts of the UK have forced on them.

Ok but then would they be happy to not have the carers, nurses, doctors, food workers, construction workers that these people provide?

IClaudine · 06/07/2024 12:07

The poster who thinks Reform UK PLC will win a landslide in 2029 will be dissappointed.

Five years is a long time for Farage et al to be scrutinised as MPs and for the organisation to actually hold together. I think it might not even exist by 2029.

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/07/2024 12:11

I know only 1 person who openly voted Reform. He’s poorly educated and racist.

There will no doubt be intelligent people who voted for them but that’s my personal experience.

AmusedMaker · 06/07/2024 12:14

I didn’t vote for them but I’d say they get support from people fed up with all the migrants entering our country in small boats and absolutely nothing being done about it. And even when the Conservatives tried ( Rwanda bill ) it gets blocked, delayed, fought against etc.

Allthislovelygreen · 06/07/2024 12:15

Immigration was the main reason for me. Reform were the only party other than Worker's Party not scared to say it's unsustainable now.

And my reason of concern is housing. I think Labour could potentially get enough money to provide the extra services needed for immigration (eg NHS and schools), but no party can get houses built as fast as is needed.

We've got a shortage of houses and an unlimited supply of people...so the only people getting rich are the landlords