Is the war in Ukraine doomed?

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I studied the conflict since it begun and can see the mood is becoming more and more grim.
What's people opinion on the conflict?

We can really see a decline of US power, the loss in Ukraine will cement this. There would need to be a new security architecture in Europe with Russia and NATO having some sort of agreement on the border line. What is more worrying is Ukraine which will either be divided or it will be completely absorbed by Russia. In any case in my opinion there will be a bitter resentment towards the west in Ukraine. The west persuaded to dismantle nuclear arsenal, sign Budapest memorandum, did nothing in Crimea and let us bleed and lose during the war. So it all looks bleak.

Russia was always going to win unless "the west" properly recognised this is the start of the reforming of the soviet block and threw their muscle into it.

But since the WWII the west doesn't have much appetite for direct action unless they are certain of the win.

The fact we are reliant on Russian fuel and Chinese manufacturing is shocking. We don't even have the infrastructure to run a war. We need to have been working towards self reliance decade's ago.

@Icedlatteplease The fact we are reliant on Russian fuel and Chinese manufacturing is shocking. We don't even have the infrastructure to run a war. We need to have been working towards self reliance decade's ago

The short term gain became a long term loss due to short sightedness and poor planning.

The; Chinese, Japanese and Korean companies I have worked alongside talk about 25 year plans. Whereas, the UK seems to in a constant state of crisis management.

It is a compete disaster, with the West not giving their full support to Ukraine as they fear a full blown war with Russia. All support Ukraine gets is to defend the attacks, nothing more. Not enough to fight back properly.

A lot of people are saying that stopping aid to Ukraine and allowing Putin to do what he wants will finish the conflict. And what his wants is for Ukraine is to exist only as a secondary region of russia, with no independent culture, no language and no history outside of russia, and he is happy to achieve this by killing as many Ukrainians as he can - Bucha was an example. But even this doesn't bother a lot of "pacifists" - give Ukraine to russia and all will be well, life will go back to normal. Wrong. Putin and his cronies already quite openly stated their plans - after Ukraine, they plan to invade and occupy all of the former USSR Baltic states and part of Poland. Imagine this happening? Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are tiny, how long they will last? How many people will survive the invasion? Imagine Poland being bombed - a bit closer to home for comfort, don't you think?

If West saves now, they will pay much more later - in people's lives, in land and in money. Europe should be thankful to Ukraine for acting like a shield against the mad invaders who will stop at nothing.

Putin is playing the attrition tactic.

Russia has vast oil and gas reserves from their operations in Iraq. When oil prices plummeted in 2015, Russia took oil instead of money as payment.

Russia can sell to China and India (Approx 40% of the World population). Hence, Russia does not need the EU or the US. This is proven by fact that sanctions by the EU and the US have not impeded the war.

Russia also has support from large oil and gas countries such as; Qatar, Saudi Arabia and UAE.

The West will bankrupt themselves. Then Putin will move in to take over..

Its clearly failing because NATO are now considering getting involved. Talk of conscription as well which is hilarious considering that most people would simply refuse.

I think it's an utter disaster and we should never have armed the Ukraine in the first place. It's western provocation that led to this conflict in the first place and the Ukraine isn't a NATO member band doesn't deserve our protection.

So what next another war, then what China, North Korea and Iran....how many lives have to be destroyed before everyone wakes up to the reality.

If Trump wins the next election, I don't see the point in the West anyway. Honestly - any morality, faith in democracy, rule of law, fairness etc - out the fricking window.

Well yes and that's another story. Trump is about as dangerous as they come....

Anyone been watching John Gray interviews on YouTube? If he's right liberal democracy is over and we're moving back into s state of chaos, for which new Leviathans have arisen.

It's western provocation that led to this conflict in the first place

@dubsie , in what way? Are you subscribing to the view NATO expansion provoked Russia? Eastern European countries asked to join remember.

You have to look at this from a different perspective. The break up of USSR was a partly the result of western meddling and underhand foreign policy. That has never been forgiven in Russia. Obviously the Russian empire was crumbling anyway and things like Chernobyl sealed the deal but let's be honest we helped the process because the yanks want a world under the dollar.

So when the yanks have been arming and bolstering countries like the Ukraine for over 20 years you can surely understand that creates a high degree of anxiety and anger in Russia. If Russia was arming and Mexico then you would see a very quick response from the Yanks .

Russia has an economy smaller than Spain, it isn't the big super power they would like you to believe. So don't fear Russia they are no threat to anyone in Western Europe....even places like Poland are safe....the Ukraine on the other hand asked for it...they virtually invited them in.

@dubsie Russia has an economy smaller than Spain.

And massive oil and gas reserves they can sell to purchase weapons. It is estimated that Russia has more nuclear weapons than any other country.

It's estimated....lol... sounds like Iraq all over. So has Israel but we don't talk about that.

Russia has never used a nuclear weapon in anger.....the only country that has is America and how many have they got stationed all over the world.

I'm sorry but I don't fear my Russian neighbours. I don't particularly like Putin or trust him but I certainly don't fear or want a war...

You think we should defend the Ukraine by buying them weapons is the reason Putin is there now. You are defending American interests nothing else and In the process wiped out a lot of Ukrainian young men.

Putin has more bullets than Ukraine has soldiers and this war will continue until one side loses or we run out of money. So it's up to you...spend your future funding more war which is simply increasing our dependency on fossil fuels and destroying the planet.

Since this war energy prices have sky rocketed...do you not think there is vested interest in this war.

"You think we should defend the Ukraine by buying them weapons is the reason Putin is there now" - Not sure what you trying to say here but do you realise if Putin takes over Ukraine then all the men and women that have been in the army (or had any involvement in the war) will be killed? Like, literally? Ukrainian language and culture will be forbidden, and anyone who disagrees will end up arrested, imprisoned and/ or dead? Is that what you want for Ukraine? This has nothing to do with America. There is simply no way back now. The only difference is - will Ukraine be the last country russia gobbles up, or the first.

No one in authority in the west is saying what you are saying. The issue for Ukraine and the west is to do with Crimea and Donbas geopolitics.

Re Crimea, the west started a war in the middle of the 19th century in relation to Crimea, and you could argue that similar issues are live today, a complex history of land ownership and transfer and nationality and not all the specific reasons would apply, but the underlying reasons of threat/neutrality/control/power would all still arguably apply.

In relation to soldiers/Ukrainians fighting, you mention, Russia and Ukraine are agreeing POW swaps as an ongoing thing according to the news.

There are complex issues, but to do with how world governments want to handle conflict, not the issues you suggest, I don't think.

Russia has it's interests and we should accept that. Arming the Ukraine was a direct provocation and damaged trust.

The war can't be totally blamed on Russia. The whole concept of beating/ destroying Russia is beyond dangerous. If Russia is defeated then it's likely that the whole region will become a bigger problem and more war will follow.

We shouldn't get involved and simply aid peace talks.

Russia has it's interests and we should accept that.

Every country has its interests. But Russia's "interests" here have been to treat Ukraine, a fellow sovereign state, as a puppet state. Russia wants to have a 'sphere of interests' in Eastern Europe. What does this mean? It means that countries cannot pursue their own interests, cannot have their own foreign policies, but are to have a limited range of local autonomy within a greater context of control from Moscow. Like non-USSR countries experienced within the Eastern Bloc. That is what the whole thing about Ukraine wanting to align itself closer to the EU and NATO with the aim of eventual membership is about.

Jeez. So much Russia apologism.

Russia knew full well that none of NATO, the US and the EU wanted war or conflict. He just fears open societies.

Putin’s dictatorial communist instincts lost the hammer and sickle but kept the violent gangsterism and contempt for other countries and peoples, and this is the result.