Tories and NHS

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Angry and upset. Do Tory voters regret their decision and what's it's done to the NHS?

You’re up early

I voted Tory. Was too scared to vote for the anti-Semitic Labour Party.

The tories lied to voters about the nhs. That's not the fault of the voters, that's the fault of the tories.

The NHS was not the main issue at the last election, indeed it seemed to be well down the list of things that were discussed.

I would argue that in 2019 probably the majority of people did not have a party to vote for that even remotely reflected their views. Choice in England at least of one led by someone who has treated women abysmally or worse especially in his private life, another led by a Hamas and former IRA sympathiser who appeased anti-semitism, and a third who would cancel a referendum result without another one.

They have put endless money into the NHS. They could have doubled or trebled it and there would be no discernible change - it's a money pit that needs to be reformed but as it is treated like a religion that cannot be criticised it will never be done.

Sorry. But I think people need to own their vote. Boris lied about everything. It was clear all along. Papers also lied and made a lot of labour anti semitism. If you voted Tory. Please just admit it was a mistake. That you made an error of judgement.

Politicians will lie ! Goodness me
We have an ageing population and people want to live alone rather than multi generational
So NHS and housing both in a mess
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Lyn do agree most of us do not have a party we want to vote for
Good point

I voted Tory because it frightened me that a Jewish man like Ed Miliband could not eat a bacon sandwich properly. This heralded the greatest period of Tory prosperity in a lifetime. Cameron and Osbourne were able to balance the books by killing off thousands of the poor and disabled by austerity, increased the national debt and impoverished the country so that they voted without thinking in an ill-framed referendum that allowed disaster capitalists to reek havoc on this country and destroyed the great socialist experiment that was the NHS.

it was better this than the UK become a laughing stock as we would have a PM who could not eat a bacon sandwich properly.

I didn't make an error of judgement thanks. I don't care how shit the tories have been, I would not have had anti-Semite Corbyn as my PM, especially now.

Waiting lists were operating okay until the pandemic. I'm not sure the Tories were responsible for Covid and its impact. Burnout and staff wanting to leave the NHS or work more part time coupled with Brexit has led to massive workforce shortages - which will take 10 years to address. But at least the Tories have now produced the NHSs first long term workforce plan. Another significant factor was public spending during the pandemic to shore up businesses and the self employed and the need to spend a lot of money (some misspent) on procurement, vaccination, testing etc. This has led to a massive hole in public finances made worse by inflation that will be inherited by the Labour Party if they win the next election.

I'm not sure the Conservatives are fully responsible for the fact that at least 7 hospitals riddled with RACC now have to be re-built rapidly. Though chronic underinvestment in capital assets in the NHS has been a feature of the NHS funding crisis at least since Cameron's austerity measures if not before.

One of the biggest pressures on the NHS is the lack of investment in social care - I believe successive politicians have proposed solutions from Andy Burnham, to Theresa May to Boris Johnson but none have found the money to do so. And of course the need to shift more money away from hospitals into prevention and primary care. Not a priority well understood by the public.

Sure Labour could put up taxes but with the cost of living crisis can the public afford it? So they are unlikely to have any more money to spend. And Labour cannot reverse the impact of an ageing population and the rising demand for health services that that creates. Nor the fact that the impact of this demographic change is that there are now less people of working age to pay taxes for public services.

Research has shown the all the increased spending by Labour on the NHS from 1997 - 2005 had 0.01% impact on increased efficiencies - most went into salaries and large parts of the NHS have been privatised for many decades - eye care, dentistry, non urgent surgery, social care. GPs have always been private businesses delivering public services since the NHS's inception. It was no different under Labour.

So I can see a variety of causes for the crisis in the NHS: rising demand, demography, the backlog created by the pandemic, inflationary pressures and the national debt, brexit. It's too complex to say it's all the Tories fault. Any long term solutions will likely need to cross party support, a fully funded workforce strategy and/ or a different model of funding - social insurance seems to work very well in many other countries.

In short it's complicated. And I'm no Tory!

I think the NHS is fucked whoever is in charge.

its not fit for purpose - and its complicated.

No regrets over not getting an antisemite in power

NHS is not going to get easier whatever. Look at the age range and care issues growing

100% agree

I wouldn’t entrust the National Health Service to a party who pretend not to know the difference between a man and a woman in anatomy : ‘yes, some women do have a penis’ thanks for that, Keir. And you’re no better ‘Ed’.

Germany a similar country to ours did some clever things years ago They paid 2,per cent more NI ,trained up more Consultants so GPS only deal with undiagnosed and made most services delivered by private but not for profit organisations, During COVID they had 4,times the number ICU beds
So,efficient

How to vote at the last general election was the hardest voting decision I have ever made.

Obviously we all vote for our individual MP rather than for the party leader but, however much choice we had on our ballot papers, realistically either Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn was going to become PM.

I don't think we have ever had a worse choice - certainly not since the first time I voted in a general election in 1979. I seriously considered spoiling my ballot paper.

I suspect that many of us voted for the candidate we thought was likely to keep out whoever we considered the least worst option.

We know that Boris Johnson turned out to be a disaster. We have no way of knowing whether Jeremy Corbyn would also have been.

Well ... need to vote for the party rather than your own MP. It's much wider than a single person in your local area. I've always voted party as a whole. It affects the whole country.

Oh dear. Mumsnet is nice. But honestly also I did realise how people vote on such narrow issues.

There is just no way JC would have worse than these guys. I didn't warm to him. But ... this shower are beyond everything. If Tony B hadn't gone to war in Iraq. The bizarre thing is, these guys could do anything go to war anything and not get thrown out. 2 rules.

I don't believe Jeremy Corbyn would have spent the pandemic lining the pockets of his mates.

Exactly. Exactly. And I don't think he was anti semitic. I think anyone saying anything pro Palestine gets tarred as anti semitic.

I certainly don't think it was a mistake. At the time, I agreed with their proposals and there wasn't - and indeed isn't - anyone better to vote for, both then and now.

I did not want to spoil my vote. The tories have been crap, yes, but I do not believe any other party would have been better.

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