Do you think there are extremist sections in every ethnicity?

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Just something I'm starting to believe, especially in the UK. Without naming. But I'm sensing an underground current of something with two large particular groups people identify with. I'm not going to name my ethnicity as I know already in the last and still sadly active in small corners these extremist groups still exist but I'm pretty sure some of these other groups also want their blood. There's definitely a them and us sadly, when we should all be one.

And, for the record, please do tell me where the "terror of Islam" is mentioned or referred to in my first post?

Very hypothetically, I think Islam is in the middle of its Reformation period, speaking philosophically. Like the 150 years from 1500 when Europe endured religious civil wars based on diverging religious beliefs.

Exactly

Why don't you spit it out rather than play Lord of riddles?

No idea what this is talking about. I agree with Finless .

Yes. Almost all violent, patriarchal men, that seems to be the problem.

Some people are unusual, in stead of debate and study it's omg zap, so much for discussion and discourse

Eh? Humans evolved as tribal beings, there have always been wars and conflict, we're not really any different from cave dwellers at heart and can be motivated by fear to be aggressive and violent.

Do you mean Indians and Sikhs? Thank fricking Modi for that.

It's not to do with ethnicity, it's to do with culture and the mentalities and ideals of the people around whom you're brought up. Just because you're white British doesn't mean you'll instantly become a member of the National Front, but being around people spouting those ideologies can influence vulnerable people. And vulnerable people are of all ethnicities.

Of course, and not "especially in the UK", we're not uniquely horrible despite what the MN hive would have you believe.
Every group of humans has a lunatic fringe. No exceptions.

I'm afraid the blame lies with western / American foreign policy. The yanks created the right conditions that led to 9/11 and since then our attempts to punish those responsible has led to something far worse. I'd advise everyone to read Simon Reeds books who predicted 9/11 and has written extensively about extremism.

We are creating a situation where there is so much hatred for our way of life that we have become legitimate targets. I'm not saying I agree with those that kill, I don't but I think we must accept that our actions have consequences. You can see it the world over and I was brought up in Antrim and know too well what hate brings between people.

The only way you get peace is when all sides talk and put away differences.... reconciliation can be very hard but it's the only way to move forward. This isn't lefty rubbish but cold hard fact about how you end conflict. In the case of the current middle eastern conflict it, the response to wage heavy warfare on a community that has nothing will only anger the Muslim world and provide more support for Hamas. Israel has made a catastrophic error despite the awful circumstances.... vengeance solves nothing.

So unless you actually find common ground the world is going to become a very dangerous place.

@dubsie , I agree, but when, where and how are you going to get militant Islamic factions to talk to anyone who is not already in their camp? I worked for an American pension fund in the 1980s that sent a very senior black actuary to help South African universities set up their retirement programmes. It was a huge slap in the face to the South Africans at the time apartheid was still dominant.

Thank you so much for this post, exactly what I wanted to say but was too busy with my head in my hands to figure out the words!

LemonLettuce is responding to a post I made three months ago. If you go back up thread, you will see my responses there.

She doesn't like Ayaan Hirsi Ali's account, because she finds it anti-Islam.

I thought AHA wrote thoughtfully and intelligently about her journey from a refugee/resettlement camp to life in the Netherlands, where she became an MP, and eventually went to USA where she is a professor at a world class university. Please read the book before decrying it.

AHA recounts her personal transition from Islamic girl to atheist academic professor.

I think considering white european people are a minority but did the most mass scale murdering, rape, and enslavement in the past 1,000 years through commercialised slavery and colonialisation - they must be the most dangerous ethnicity in the world.

Yup.

Actually it was the Mongol Empire, who wiped out about 10 or 11% or so of the entire world population.

Slavery was legal in most of the world, and certainly in Africa and Arabia, well past its European abolition in the mid-1830s. Chad did not prohibit slavery until the 1990s if I remember correctly, and it was certainly still going on in east Africa into the Middle East well into the 1970s. Zanzibar to Oman, for example.

Heck, seizing white people from the UK as slaves went on until the Tudor period.

None of which makes it right. It is history. A different time.

@JustAMinutePleass but did the most mass scale murdering, rape, and enslavement in the past 1,000 years through commercialised slavery and colonialisation - they must be the most dangerous ethnicity in the world.
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No, it's just they're the most documented.
The Egyptians are the best example of widely documented slavery...but everyone forgets the North African Empires who enslaved their brothers.

So thats what this thread is about...

And your point is?

I think Israel is guilty of multiple counts of hedious war crimes,genocide and its punishing a whole population for the crimes of a few....which is also a war crime. No wonder there is Hamas because who else is there to defend them. Hamas is much the same as ISIS formed on extremes as a retaliation against a very strong opponent.

When you consider the average age of Palastinians is something like 16 its a country of predominately young people. Can you imagine the mental damage this is doing to young minds let alone the physical damage. Most British people have a meltdown of there supermarket runs out of there favourite brand yet they bang the war drums behind television screens.

Having grown up in Antrim as a young boy and witnessed oppression, racism and violence myself and can fully understand what it must be like....but what i experienced is nothing compared to what Palastinians cope with and the problem is Hamas will exploit this. So the more Israel bomb the angrier people will become....its a downward spiral.

It makes me very angry to see the media stoking violence when whats needed is a pause and thought. Yes defend yourself and punish rhode guilty but dont punish 2.5 million innocent civilians

Doesn’t matter if it was three years or three days ago, my sentiments still stand.

I don’t find her book anti-Islamic. It is anti-Islamic and I say that as a totally neutral statement. I think the author herself would agree with that.

There are millions of books on Islam, written by non-Muslims/former Muslims/whoever that are based on genuine scholarship and objectivity. I don’t know why anyone would hold up Ali’s book and use it to form opinions on a religion that has a 1400 year history.