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Rishi Sunal admits taking money from deprived areas

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hellmannsnotheinz · 05/08/2022 15:04

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/05/video-emerges-of-rishi-sunak-admitting-to-taking-money-from-deprived-areas

Sorry if this thread has already been done, could t see one.

Thoughts please Mumsnet

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hellmannsnotheinz · 05/08/2022 15:06

Sunak (sorry)

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Chevyimpala67 · 05/08/2022 15:07

Tories gonna tory

hellmannsnotheinz · 05/08/2022 15:14

Lol. Sums it up I guess @Chevyimpala67

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C8H10N4O2 · 05/08/2022 15:16

Its been no secret - its been happening for a decade. The astonishing thing is that they no longer care about saying it out loud instead of denying it with a smirk on their faces.

PanicAtTheBigTesco · 05/08/2022 15:23

It makes me so angry

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 05/08/2022 15:25

And yet so many of those deprived areas are voting Tory now - all those former red wall seats voted in the Tories like turkeys voting for Christmas.

hellmannsnotheinz · 05/08/2022 15:26

C8H10N4O2 · 05/08/2022 15:16

Its been no secret - its been happening for a decade. The astonishing thing is that they no longer care about saying it out loud instead of denying it with a smirk on their faces.

That's it... it's the brazenness I think that is the most shocking... everyone knows this is what they do but to actually say it out loud for anyone to record... I can't work that one out

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SweetSakura · 05/08/2022 15:34

It was a known fact. but to see him brag about it was astonishing even in a post - Boris era where very little surprises me any more

carefullycourageous · 05/08/2022 15:34

He said the quiet bit out loud there didn't he!?!

I know we all know this is what they have been doing so it is no surprise, but it is still shocking when they state it out loud as if it is an acceptable thing to do. The damage they are doing to the country by depriving those areas of vital funding is dreadful.

As Truss would say: That. Is. A. Disgrace.

Perime · 05/08/2022 15:35

Agree with PP. Tories gonna Tory.

Someone really wants Truss to be the next PM. Wonder who?

Tasmanium · 05/08/2022 15:44

@hellmannsnotheinz it’s pretty disgraceful isn’t it? People are saying that this rhetoric will appeal to members of the Conservative party who are voting in the leadership contest, but I’m not even sure that’s true. I don’t think many people will really celebrate this attitude, if it was framed more in terms of fairness then it might appeal but many of these voters will still see themselves as fair people with Christian values- values which don’t traditionally include knowingly withholding resources from the most deprived in our society. Describing these areas as deprived specifically adds salt to the wound, because the term reminds us that resources are being withheld by someone from them, and that according to Sunak it’s the government actively withholding/depriving them.

I could be wrong about this of course but it’s almost as though Sunak believes them to be the worst “cartoon villain” version Tory voters, makes me wonder if he really understands his party, let alone his country.
Don’t get me started on the branding people who criticise Britain as extremists, I can’t see any of my conservative friends going for that, just the flip side of Woke cancellation surely? I feel like I’m his desperation to appease the right of the party he has revealed who he thinks they are- and he doesn’t think much of them.

Having said all that, it’s his party so probably he knows better than I do- but I know conservative voters and while I disagree with them on many things I think by and large they are decent people who want the same things as everyone further to the left but they just have a difference in opinion on how that will be achieved.

hellmannsnotheinz · 05/08/2022 15:49

@Tasmanium really interesting thanks.
I did wonder if that is how he truly feels or if he will just say anything at this point to win votes

Agree with you - can't (or don't like to?) imagine there are many people really who would really support that kind of attitude

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giffyg · 05/08/2022 15:49

Isn't this why people vote for them?

giffyg · 05/08/2022 15:50

Someone really wants Truss to be the next PM. Wonder who?

yes I want to know the angle

Hyperion100 · 05/08/2022 15:53

Its the standard Tory levelling down policy.

Take from the poor to give to the rich.

Anothernamechangeplease · 05/08/2022 15:54

Chevyimpala67 · 05/08/2022 15:07

Tories gonna tory

Summed up perfectly in just 3 simple words.

Nevertheless, it's quite shocking to hear them admit it out loud.

Anothernamechangeplease · 05/08/2022 15:54

giffyg · 05/08/2022 15:49

Isn't this why people vote for them?

It absolutely is, but it's unusual to see it discussed so openly.

MissyB1 · 05/08/2022 15:55

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 05/08/2022 15:25

And yet so many of those deprived areas are voting Tory now - all those former red wall seats voted in the Tories like turkeys voting for Christmas.

Yep! Sums it up nicely.

calmlakes · 05/08/2022 15:58

I do think it is possible to make an alternative case.
There are underprivileged families everywhere. If you only fund areas of high deprivation then the pockets of economically deprived people in better off areas get fewer services than those in more universally deprived areas.
It should be about providing a balance of services in all areas.

CrotchetyQuaver · 05/08/2022 16:02

There are deprived areas everywhere even in what are, on paper, affluent areas. Until we know the facts it's hard to know what's gone on here.

Jalisco · 05/08/2022 16:05

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 05/08/2022 15:25

And yet so many of those deprived areas are voting Tory now - all those former red wall seats voted in the Tories like turkeys voting for Christmas.

They probably get confused between them when they hear that Labour sack people for supporting workers. Hot damn, you'd have thought that even Keir could get the clue in the name?

Anothernamechangeplease · 05/08/2022 16:05

Tasmanium · 05/08/2022 15:44

@hellmannsnotheinz it’s pretty disgraceful isn’t it? People are saying that this rhetoric will appeal to members of the Conservative party who are voting in the leadership contest, but I’m not even sure that’s true. I don’t think many people will really celebrate this attitude, if it was framed more in terms of fairness then it might appeal but many of these voters will still see themselves as fair people with Christian values- values which don’t traditionally include knowingly withholding resources from the most deprived in our society. Describing these areas as deprived specifically adds salt to the wound, because the term reminds us that resources are being withheld by someone from them, and that according to Sunak it’s the government actively withholding/depriving them.

I could be wrong about this of course but it’s almost as though Sunak believes them to be the worst “cartoon villain” version Tory voters, makes me wonder if he really understands his party, let alone his country.
Don’t get me started on the branding people who criticise Britain as extremists, I can’t see any of my conservative friends going for that, just the flip side of Woke cancellation surely? I feel like I’m his desperation to appease the right of the party he has revealed who he thinks they are- and he doesn’t think much of them.

Having said all that, it’s his party so probably he knows better than I do- but I know conservative voters and while I disagree with them on many things I think by and large they are decent people who want the same things as everyone further to the left but they just have a difference in opinion on how that will be achieved.

I think the essence of what he is saying will absolutely appeal to the average Tory voter. A vote for the Tories, after all, an inherently selfish vote. That's why they exist.

What won't play terribly well is that he hasn't been subtle enough in how he expressed it. Normally, the Tories like to dress things up in terms of rewarding hardworking families, or some such nonsense, as if people from deprived communities are just lazy fucks who can't be arsed to make an effort.

It seems to me that the vast majority of Tories are more than happy to take money away from the poor in order to give it to the rich, because that's what they have been doing for years. However, they do usually like to be allowed to pretend to themselves that they're doing it for the right reasons, and Rishi has just been a bit too honest on this occasion. Nobody likes to be confronted with such uncomfortable truths.

Tasmanium · 05/08/2022 16:11

calmlakes · 05/08/2022 15:58

I do think it is possible to make an alternative case.
There are underprivileged families everywhere. If you only fund areas of high deprivation then the pockets of economically deprived people in better off areas get fewer services than those in more universally deprived areas.
It should be about providing a balance of services in all areas.

@calmlakes it’s certainly possible to make that case. However, they haven’t even been doing what they’ve been bragging about in Tumbridge wells by the looks of it (see link below). Rishi Sunak’s people aren’t actually the wealthy of Tumbridge Wells, or Tory party members- those people are still more or less peasants compared to the set he runs with. His people are the super rich of London, the Stanford, Harvard and Silicon Valley elite, in his mind anyway. I think that’s why he sees his future in the USA. Tumbridge wells increased demand at foodbanks

hellmannsnotheinz · 05/08/2022 16:16

@Tasmanium
Is he super rich himself do you know?

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Anothernamechangeplease · 05/08/2022 16:18

hellmannsnotheinz · 05/08/2022 16:16

@Tasmanium
Is he super rich himself do you know?

Rishi? Yes.