What are your opinions on WW3 or nuclear war?

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I’m just wondering how likely everyone thinks ww3 or nuclear war is going to be ?!

do you see putin nuking the uk? It seems the last 24 things are escalating or is that the media?

Who knows what Putin has in mind, we don't actually know that he's got the facts himself (it's known he's not receptive to bad news so could be uninformed himself)
I'd like to hope that the West wouldn't retaliate with nuclear arms but if we didn't how is it resolved?
They say to win you need to know your enemy and I think that's the scariest thing, no one knows what's going on in this daft fuckers mind but what I do believe is money could swing it.

All I keep seeing is apparently putin has said is the uk keep helping Ukraine he will Nuke us basically!! I don’t really want take the chance with that madman! Radiation poisoning doesn’t sound like a fun way to go! 😬

I think things will escalate/more countries will become involved and this will end up being known as WW3, but as things stand I don't think nuclear war is going to happen, at the end of the day only time will tell though.

Things certainly appear to be escalating in the media, but I cling onto hope it's just scare tactics because things aren't going the way the Russians planned and they want us to back off. My concern is when that tips into desperation and face saving, or even a nothing to lose scenario.

I think things will escalate and I strongly suspect more countries will get drawn in as the Russians seek some kind of victory. Transnistria is worrying. I do think this is likely to end up as WW3 in some form.

I don't think Putin is going to nuke us. He hasn't said that as far as I am aware, just warned of further action which may not necessarily be military. I think he'd have to be utterly desperate to actually take military action against a NATO country.

Putin acts like he's the only person in the world who has nuclear weapons - silly man! In fact, he bangs on about them that much I'm starting to doubt he has them at all

The 'big scary Russia' image is certainly taking a hit in Ukraine - he's full of shit.

Nuke us? No, very very unlikely indeed. Not really something anyone is considering might happen.

Putin using a tactical/battlefield nuke in Ukraine? Again, unlikely but not vanishingly so. I think this is possible, if not probable. Obviously I very much hope this doesn't happen but I don't think the chances are zero. However this doesn't need to be the start of a nuclear war and wouldn't particularly affect us on the most immediate level.

Historically Russia do threaten the worst (and unfortunately sometimes carry it out) but they can deescalate if they can save face.
As much as some would like to stand up to bullies or teach them a lesson the only logical and sensible option must involve some way for him to save face and improve a position so he can pass it as a victory.
The worst thing that can happen is he's backed into a corner and risk him going scorched earth and burning the house down.
If it's true this is all rooted in the natural gas rights around the Crimea then a way to give those to Russia can be found.
Let's hope it is that and it's not gone too far already.

Well this what I hoped, that Surely not even he wants ww3 or MAD, but the media seems to be saying that putin has directly told the uk if we keep supplying to Ukraine he will fire at us?

It all would be very odd that because he wants parts of land from Ukraine, he would risk blowing up the world and himself?! what in earth would the point be?! I don’t understand the logic tbh.

I would love to think there is an peaceful way out of this mess for everyone, but the way it’s going I just can’t see it.

I'm retiring soon, I'm seriously thinking of moving to Portugal as i don't think he will nuke them. I don't think Boris Johnson is helping matters by his silly beligerant comments, it is just winding Putin up.

For Putin to nuke a NATO country would be instant suicide for himself and for Russia.

So if it were to happen, it would have to be in the kind of scenario where an unhinged megalomaniac leader gets so backed into a corner that they figure they'll go out with guns blazing, like an international version of the columbine massacre.

It COULD happen, but I reckon there's not much point worrying about situations like that. There's not much anyone can do within the realms of ordinary rational interaction to avoid them, so it ranks up there with the Earth being hit by a meteor.

I agree that Johnson is making us a target. The likelihood of being nuked the highest it’s been. Have a look at independent media coverage. Russel Brand is currently doing a great job on YouTube.

Not just that, he acts like he is the head of the Ukrainian army, with all his urging. And the media are lapping it up. I'm absolutely sick of it, although I do support the Ukrainian side.

I think there is an information and propaganda war being fought on both sides. What we see in the press, and the image that Boris Johnson portrays, is very much what they want us to see and believe.

The question I keep asking myself is why, who do they want to receive these messages and what do they want them to do with it?

One option is that Johnson and the NATO defence / intelligence services have a good grasp on what’s going on inside Russia and between them have decided this is the best response - it’s not for me to question that. The second is that Johnson is using it as an opportunity to bolster his own popularity. This worries me much more. I haven’t seen enough in foreign media to know whether similar threats are being made to other countries, and I’m not sure of the extent to which threats are being blown out of proportion here (and if so why).

There is a pattern among these countries though whereby attack (or the threat to attack) is seen as the best form of defence. The issue we have of course is the extent to which nuclear weapons are brought into it.

So is there a chance of WW3 / nuclear war? I don’t think it’s what either side want at all. But I also don’t think either side can at this stage back down. Russia doesn’t want to be humiliated, Ukraine and it’s supporters cannot allow Russia to get away with what it has done. I don’t see a way out at the moment, which I guess is why Ukraine is having to play the long game. The likelihood of a a quick end to this is all but zero.

I hope it’s quick… that’s all really.

Given the state of the rest of their military and equipment that has been found in Ukraine, I'll be amazed if even half of their nuclear arsenal is actually functional.

The war isn't going well for Russia, that's why they are ramping up the propaganda. They need Russians to believe that they are winning.

@CatDogMonkeyPOW what do you think it would look like if things were going well though, wouldn’t it embolden them and couldn’t that then place more territories at risk?

I agree with PP, there’s an awful lot of propaganda in the media right now.

Also look at it logically. Russia invaded Ukraine fully believing that they would have taken control within a matter of days. They haven’t yet taken any of it, this war is likely to go on for years purely because Russia aren’t going to back down.

But if they can’t even take control of Ukraine, then how on earth do they propose to obliterate countries which have every bit the same, and more, weaponry than they do?

It’s all bluster.

I think Putin has had that big red button for all these years and now he wants to use it.
Its on his bucket list.

But he doesn’t have sole charge of that button. this is what so many people don’t seem to grasp about nuclear weapons. People seem to think that one unhinged leader can just pop into the office and press a button and bang goes the world. But there is a chain of people involved in launching nuclear weapons. While Putin currently has people on his side WRT Ukraine, he is very unlikely to have the same support if he wanted to launch a nuclear attack, because others absolutely don’t want to lose their own lives or put their own families at risk, which is what would happen if he launched nuclear weapons.

Putin wants the Ukrainian Breadbasket. Nuking your food makes the whole reason for invading null and void.

Boris definitely needs to STFU

@AceofPentacles as does useless Liz truss who seems to have leadership ambitions on the back of the conflict too. She’s gone v quiet recently though??

We really need the opinion of that brilliant Ukrainian expert from the early March thread - @WhatsGoingOn2022.

I live in London and assume in the event of a nuclear attack I won't live to see the aftermath, which is probably for the best...