Trudeau to seize truckers assets

[solidface]

I am hearing that Trudeau has invoked the never before used emergency powers necessary to take truckers assets. Personally I think this is wrong and a huge step yet predictable in the wrong direction . Do you agree with me that Trudeau has finally shown his true colours?

I really don't think he's handling this well at all.
He started off calling them white supremacists and misogynists. I'm sure in a group that big there are a few unsavoury types but it's wrong to tar them all with that brush - imagine if he characterised the BLM protesters as looters and arsonists, just because there were some among them.
He is refusing to speak to them - even though individual provinces are changing the law to meet their demand (end to mandates). He is not opposing the provincial premiers on the change, he just seems to be opposing the truckers on the grounds of who they are ?
Seizing assets for taking part in peaceful protests is a huge step over the line, and it should worry everyone. Any of us could be one Bad Thought away from losing our livelihoods. Trudeau and his brand of politics won't be in power for ever. It might be your arch enemies in next - and now a terrible precedent has been set

@1Week yes thank you! that's it exactly. no one should be cheering this on its a big bad move that makes him the exact thing he claims not to be.

Leaders need to stop trying to make the vaccinations mandatory, it's a problem the world over, we've already scrapped it for NHS workers. No one wants to feel they don't have a choice. 90% of Canadians are double vaxxed anyway so it's not a take up issue. The blockades need to go, I fucking hate people blockading, it's totally selfish and prevents emergency vehicles getting through but equally forcing people to vaccinate or lose their livelihood when they don't even work with vulnerable people is ridiculous.
Seizing their assets is also ridiculous, Trudeau needs to back down on this one but I don't think he will.

He's an absolute maniac and needs to be stopped. Who on earth does he think he is?!

@madmomma @Gowithme I'm glad to hear I am not alone! now Trudeau may be realising he is in the fringe minority and not them.

Is he really seizing assets? I know he is invoking emergency powers.

If he is seizing their trucks, that will just mean the big operators will gain.
These truckers, asi understand it are small scale owner operators. It'll be a bit like how the pandemic closed lots of small businesses while the likes of Amazon sewed up even more of the market
Astonishing that such a move would be made by a PM, even more astonishing if he does it with the support of leftists.

I have been addicted to watching this all unfold since the trucks rolled up in Ottawa and Trudeau ran away (crying)

It is absolutely fascinating to watch him unravel in such a public way. Where are his advisors / confidantes in all of this?

Is there not one person around him reining him in?

It has made me be thankful that Boris doesn't have dictator tendencies (a low bar I know! But it is happening all over - France's Macron is on the same lines as Trudeau "I want to piss off the unvaccinated and I will do it to the end") and I feel for Canadians having a PM who literally divides people into acceptable and unacceptable under a veil of tolerance and empathy and of course, "following the science".

He is an absolute disgrace to democracy. Douglas Murray's piece on it yesterday was wonderful

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/11/ardern-trudeau-woke-darlings-western-world-finally-getting-comeuppance/ paywalled but some of what he says is in this interview He holds no punches.

He's been pathetic - I am in Canada and am used to his shenanigans. You know it's bad when I envy the UK. Our three national party leaders are two public criers and a great big nothing.

He's just been terrible with the mandates, with zero evidence it's useful. But this kind of divisiveness is really par for the course for him. He's always had this tendency to assume the values of JT are the real Canadian values, and other people who don't think the same way are being uncanadien. And it comes out in his behaviours and decisions and speech. Like the time at a town hall type meeting being televised, he told a woman who asked a question not to say "mankind" but "peoplekind". Totally embarrassed her for no reason.

He's just incredibly patronizing. And he hates anyone questioning his judgement.

I don't love the blockade element of what's been going on, and I think the protesters have been unwise about their public relations - it was foolish to make the regular people in Ottawa suffer through all the noise and closures.

But I am really concerned with the asset seizing element and what it could mean long term. But that is typical with all of this, the mandates etc - they don't seem to give a crap what the long term implications of these kinds of regulations are. Or, they want them.

I watched your Question period from yesterday, it was painful.
He’s surely a dead man walking?

I agree - it’s a development that should worry everyone.

He’s a power mad lunatic.

It’s absolutely insane that he thinks this is acceptable, or that he will get away with it. Somebody needs to remind him that he’s supposed to be a democratic leader in a mature democracy, not some tin pot dictator.

This will be the end of him. Hopefully.

As somebody who leans centre left on the politics spectrum I have been APPALLED at how the left in many otherwise liberal countries have recently displayed a revolting anti-democratic and dangerous authoritarianism. It needs to STOP.

It’s hard to discern how much support he has @MangyInseam from the press…it strikes me that he’s alienated everyone?

The trucker supporters because of his slander, thr people pissed off with the disruption for his inaction and all the rest for his total overstep evoking the Emergency Act?

We always seem to emit from our history lessons that left wing dictators are often worse than the classic Hitler

E.g. Stalin. At least 20 million dead

@hamstersarse

It’s hard to discern how much support he has *@MangyInseam* from the press…it strikes me that he’s alienated everyone?

The trucker supporters because of his slander, thr people pissed off with the disruption for his inaction and all the rest for his total overstep evoking the Emergency Act?

Yes, it is, because a good portion of our press, in particular the CBC, tends to support him no matter what.

The CBC in particular has gone to a lot of effort to make the protests look as bad as possible - lots of shots of the worst people, that kind of thing. I've really noticed that the news in other countries presents it very differently, especially the stuff about money and funding.

Numbers wise, probably something like half of Canadians are in general sympathetic to some of the issues around mandates and such. But only about a quarter support the protests. They made some bad choices in terms of alienating people by being in residential areas and making a god-awful noise for days on end, and Canadians tend to take a dim view of that kind of thing. But probably about the same proportion think that Trudeau has mucked it up.

Even the leader of the NDP which supported the government in bringing in the EMA said that it was only necessary because of a leadership failure on JTs part.

i'm in the west and am beyond done with the vaccine mandates; the airport bs (which made my dd's visit stressful...for no good reason as the government never followed up on a darn thing), my youngest unable to get an exemption or work despite good reason (allergies to a previous vaccine and pericarditis), then my oldest developed myocarditis with his second dose...
the whole bs of restaurants and barbers being vilified...anyway you get the picture.
no one ever really stood up for those who can not take the vaccine.
the real crux of the issue for me has been the decades of defunding the hospitals that were overrun/poorly run before this...
so i'm all for the peaceful disruption.
i've written to my mp and the minister of health but never truly felt heard or listened to.
personally i find jt ineffective on all fronts, Krista Freeland speaks to the camera like the people are preschool age.
now again i'm in the west, no supply issues for basics (although a couch i ordered 6 months ago is not here yet from upper state ny).
and maybe if i was in ontario it would affect me more but from where i am i hope they get their point across.
despite the new power, i am of the impression some will be allowed to stay to continue the demonstration. although this will not be made public immediately and all we will see (there was a media ban on the topic last friday) will be pro jt and pro police action.
i really don't believe much of our news anymore.
and just because i'm double jabbed with booster somehow they use this statistic to measure that i'm okay with "the rules".
so so fed up past the eyeballs.

no violence but i hope some protesting continues.

I don't support Trudeau at all but this truck protest needs to end. As a business owner with premises downtown (not Ottawa). We have been subjected to this bullshit for the past 4 weekends. They are LOUD, if you haven't experienced the honking I cannot even begin to tell you how loud it is and it goes on for hours . They are intimidating meat heads and the hangers on are even worse. They block the roads, swear &,shout at anyone who doesn't agree with them. Even local Healthcare workers are being abused. Our customers don't want to come anywhere near. At a time we are trying to get back on out feet this is killing us. You've been heard, you've made your Point now its time to go home.

@Truckparade

I don't support Trudeau at all but this truck protest needs to end. As a business owner with premises downtown (not Ottawa). We have been subjected to this bullshit for the past 4 weekends. They are LOUD, if you haven't experienced the honking I cannot even begin to tell you how loud it is and it goes on for hours . They are intimidating meat heads and the hangers on are even worse. They block the roads, swear &,shout at anyone who doesn't agree with them. Even local Healthcare workers are being abused. Our customers don't want to come anywhere near. At a time we are trying to get back on out feet this is killing us. You've been heard, you've made your Point now its time to go home.

That sounds horrendous. I know I wouldn't cope well with the noise.

That being said, they've made their point alright, but they've not been heard, really. No one has talked to them. They've been insulted by the PM and the press and they've been threatened. Their supporters doxxed, their bank accounts under threat of being frozen, old quotes of politicians etc in support of other disruptive protests while invoking the Emergency act over theirs.
Trudeau has stoked up tensions rather than smoothed them down and it seems many of them think they might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb at this stage.

I can't decide about what it is really like now in Ottawa. The noise element was seriously problematic. But that was stopped (not soon enough) and I am seeing a lot of reports that most of the bad behaviour was addressed. Some, like the fire-starting accusation, was never anything to do with the protests anyway.

But it's so difficult to tell. I have lost all faith in the CBC and to a lesser extent CTV some time ago as I have seen them be completely dishonest in stories where I did know what was happening in reality.

And the fact that the chief of police resigned because he said the political direction they were getting was wrong, seems pretty significant. I've never seen anything like that before. They guy they replaced him with seems like the worst sort of cop, the kind of person you put in place who will do anything asked.

But whatever is going on with all of that, it's absolutely true there is no evidence they have been heard at all. The government has gone out of their way to tell them that unless they shut up and follow the rules they don't deserve to be heard. They have no real expectation that if they pack up anything they have protested about will be considered.

Another element in all this is that it has become caught up in class issues, in a similar way to Brexit in the UK or Trump in teh US. We haven't had a lot of that come out politically in Canada, but a similar disaffection with global capitalism and progressive liberal political dominance has been brewing here among working class people. And it's really come out during covid where the gap between working class people and professionals has been made so evident and exaggerated even more, with the latter becoming poorer, having to work in what were thought to be dangerous conditions, and so on. While more middle class people have continued to earn while working from home.

So there is a lot of generalized anger there that underlying some of the specific complaints.

I just read JT used the word “healing”. I’m so sick of anything he says, Krista Freeland annoys me even more with her condescending tone.
Sadly I don’t believe most of what’s reported either. But then I’m in the BC bush.

Trudeau has become authoritarianism dressed up as 'compassion'.

He believes he knows best and will crush any dissenters who don't see how kind and good he is.

His distain for working people has been laid bare with the language he's used to describe the people who disagree on a reasonable point about mandates.
He uses the generic slurs of racist and misogynist to communicate: not our sort of people.

What is happening in Canada is deeply frightening and I can't quite believe it's really happening in the West. Again.

What is happening in Canada is deeply frightening and I can't quite believe it's really happening in the West. Again.

I keep thinking - this didn't work when the Labour party in the UK tried it, or the Democrats in the US - why would you think it's going to work in Canada? Just othering people does not make them go away.

I'm in Canada and I am scared.

They voted in martial law today -- I think that means the police can bang through your door without cause, take your assets. All because a peaceful protest.

Trudeau has refused to meet with any common people and hides. He's just like a dictator.

It's really freaking me out.

And no one seems to care -- so many people just parrot what they watch on the CBC (which is like your BBC) but it really a government propaganda channel now. They say, 'the protests had to end'. If you say, 'why does a peaceful protest need to end?' They have no answer.

NOBODY here cares about anything so long as they think it doesn't affect them. It's been 200 years since there has been actual war here so most Canadians just think they are permanently safe.

Trudeau many years ago said he admired how China did things. I think anyone who voted for him should be ashamed.

Horrible horrible vote, glad my conservative MP voted against.

Just unbelievable what (some) Canadians are allowing. Trudeau is chilling.