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House of Commons vote today against MP’s suspension

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angstridden2 · 03/11/2021 16:43

Is anybody else as horrified by the vote today by Tory MPs to stop Owen Paterson being suspended after being found guilty of inappropriate lobbying? I have sympathy for his wife’s death but surely this overturning of an impartial investigation’s findings is another reason to believe that this party is totally out of touch with most of the population and mainly about their own interests.

I really don’t know who I would vote for these days.

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MakemineaGandT · 04/11/2021 08:26

It’s comforting to see that a few more of you have posted and feel like I do. I find it baffling that so many people are oblivious to the truth of what is going on and the dangerous position we find ourselves in. I think there’s a deep complacency following years of political stability - most people have faith that broadly we do things in a trustworthy and open manner in this country. They don’t concern themselves with politics because they haven’t had to. I think our media are failing us terribly at the moment because they just aren’t reporting anything properly. Things are NOT normal at the moment but you wouldn’t know it unless you are following closely and inform yourself from multiple sources - gone are the days when the BBC was a reliable news source (sadly). I see the Mail and the Times have criticised yesterday’s vote - maybe that will cut through to a few more people.

Dinosaurwoman · 04/11/2021 08:36

It really is shocking. They just can’t keep their snouts out of the trough can they. Every time the Tories do something sane like climate change initiative or pro GC they ruin it with this sleaze, they nearly had my vote as well.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 04/11/2021 08:40

Chris Bryant on Today (R4) was excellent.
Overall though, I despair of this government and the way the country is heading.

DuncinToffee · 04/11/2021 08:49

Even the Daily Mail isn't happy with this.

You have to read past the headline though to see them specify that these were Tory MP's votes.

Threewheeler1 · 04/11/2021 09:02

It is disgusting. This government is a bottomless pit of sleaze and corruption.
Reckon Johnson was next up for investigation so no accident that the rules have now been changed. They don't care what the public think, they'll just distract us with something else tomorrow.
Agree that Chris Bryant was brilliant and at least it's all been put down on record.
Mogg is my MP and he makes me feel sick. We will never get rid of him here, it's horrendous. Am always asking myself who is voting for him, he is the perfect example of this smug, arrogant, patronising, spoilt bunch of public school career politicians at the head of government. And all this without even considering Brexit.
I'm at the point where I don't believe there will ever be a turning point where people actually stop voting for these shysters. Sorry, not at my most positive when it comes to the state of politics, just so completely dismayed by it all.

Eve · 04/11/2021 09:05

From Susie Dent on Twitter

‘Word of the day is ‘malversation’ (16th century): the corrupt administration of power.’

BananaBlue · 04/11/2021 09:06

It all terrifies me.

Speaking with a friend I said we were becoming like Nazi Germany.

DF: don’t be stupid, it’s like you think they’ll be a knock in the night then deportations.

Me:that’s already started! Windrush citizenship stripped then deported.

People don’t realise that what we are what we read in horror about previous facist regimes, this must be how it felt.

It’s a drip.

I think ‘breaking the law in a specific and limited way’ was the watershed for me. Our govt decided at that point that the law was optional.

DuncinToffee · 04/11/2021 09:07

paterson thread in AIBU
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4392275-Owen-Paterson

Kendodd · 04/11/2021 09:10

I'm at the point where I don't believe there will ever be a turning point where people actually stop voting for these shysters. Sorry, not at my most positive when it comes to the state of politics, just so completely dismayed by it all.

I agree.
I blame the people who vote for them. Johnson for example, voters knew he was a lying, cheating, racist, misogynist and they cheered him to the rafters.

Kljnmw3459 · 04/11/2021 09:13

It'll be Labours fault somehow.

Kendodd · 04/11/2021 09:16

@BananaBlue

Fascism: I sometimes fear...
I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."

Michael Rosen

kirinm · 04/11/2021 09:20

@MakemineaGandT

It’s comforting to see that a few more of you have posted and feel like I do. I find it baffling that so many people are oblivious to the truth of what is going on and the dangerous position we find ourselves in. I think there’s a deep complacency following years of political stability - most people have faith that broadly we do things in a trustworthy and open manner in this country. They don’t concern themselves with politics because they haven’t had to. I think our media are failing us terribly at the moment because they just aren’t reporting anything properly. Things are NOT normal at the moment but you wouldn’t know it unless you are following closely and inform yourself from multiple sources - gone are the days when the BBC was a reliable news source (sadly). I see the Mail and the Times have criticised yesterday’s vote - maybe that will cut through to a few more people.
There is another thread on this but I can't remember in what topic. But I don't think this is the 'Westminster bubble' story the Tories assumed it would be.
BananaBlue · 04/11/2021 09:27

Yes @Kendodd.

during the kill the bill protestors, I saw folk condemning their acts then queuing the next week to join the anti-lockdown protests with no sense of irony at all.

This govt is dangerous.

Ive come to the conclusion that if I were a Tory I’d vote Labour purely because at least they would be scrutinised and held to account.

See different treatment of Abbott and Patel when fudging numbers.

Kendodd · 04/11/2021 09:32

Yes, I've said it before that everyday the high ground I stand on by not voting for this lot gets a little bit higher.
This does nothing to help the country though.

BananaBlue · 04/11/2021 10:41

Im very much left of centre, but if we had an election tm with:

BJ Tory
One-Nation Tory
Labour

I’d hold my nose and vote ONT if I thought they had a better chance, anything to get these grifters and charlatans out.

I never thought I wouldn’t feel safe in my own country.

rrhuth · 04/11/2021 12:34

@BananaBlue

Im very much left of centre, but if we had an election tm with:

BJ Tory
One-Nation Tory
Labour

I’d hold my nose and vote ONT if I thought they had a better chance, anything to get these grifters and charlatans out.

I never thought I wouldn’t feel safe in my own country.

You will not get this three-way choice, your choice is right of centre or left of centre.
BananaBlue · 04/11/2021 13:03

I’m fully aware of that, it’s a hypothetical to empathise that I’d go against my left of centre principles and values to vote this ‘Tory’ govt out if I had to.

Was that not obvious?

Palavah · 04/11/2021 13:03

@Kendodd

Yes, I've said it before that everyday the high ground I stand on by not voting for this lot gets a little bit higher. This does nothing to help the country though.
The high ground is a floating piece of straw
Eve · 04/11/2021 13:05

Looks like a U turn coming!

Was it the daily mail headline that done it?

Hmm
Fifteentoes · 05/11/2021 19:43

There is no credible opposition or mainstream media prepared to ask the questions.

There was an opposition who asked plenty of questions. But it was led by someone who thought Palestinians deserved human rights and who didn't sing the national anthem loudly enough. Phew, thank God we dodged that bullet.

The current Labour leadership seem to think their best bet is to not challenge anything, including the electorate's reasons for voting Tory, in the hope that when push comes to shove people might vote for them as an alternative version of the same thing, because "they couldn't be any worse". This might just work (although as PPs have noted, much of the electorate seem singularly unperturbed by each new low the Tories stoop to, fascism being much more popular than many of us give it credit for).

But this has been going on a long time, and the Tories already have their ducks in a row. The combined effects of the new Voter ID rules, the Police Crime and Sentencing Act, government interference in the BBC and boundary changes, just for starters, are going to render any kind of democratic recourse virtually impossible.

And even if by some miracle it was possible, Starmer and the people around him are so utterly authoritarian, ideologically bankrupt and contemptuous of democracy themselves, that "they couldn't be any worse" may just be one of those truisms that nobody can imagine being untrue... until it is. Just as Margaret Thatcher apparently said her greatest legacy was Tony Blair, the certainty with which much of country joined the Tories in destroying the credibility of the left through media manipulation, character assasination and Brexit-happy flag waving, has paved the way for this situation by removing the possibility of an alternative. If it hadn't, they wouldn't be doing it.

Sorry, but the Tories have been doing this a long time. They're better at it - and certainly far more ruthless - than you lot.

We're screwed.

ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 06/11/2021 11:57

And another reminder that BJ's Conservative Party can and will do whatever they want. Our government is an elected dictatorship.

Yes. These aren't just words, it's the reality. And only a country full of brainwashed serfs and sycophants would put up with it.

What's it going to take for people to wake up and start lobbying the spineless dickheads they voted in?

Howshouldibehave · 16/11/2021 15:45

So Teresa May is in the HoC today saying that the Torys voting to get Owen Patterson off was disgraceful. What did she vote?

ItsLittoralViolins · 16/11/2021 15:48

@Howshouldibehave

So Teresa May is in the HoC today saying that the Torys voting to get Owen Patterson off was disgraceful. What did she vote?
No vote recorded so she abstained or wasn't there

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2021/nov/04/how-did-your-mp-vote-on-the-owen-paterson-case

DuncinToffee · 17/11/2021 17:19

It is gping well...

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owen-paterson-phone-call-randox-b1959363.html

No minutes of a key telephone call about a Covid contract awarded to Randox after it employed Owen Paterson as a consultant can be found, a minister says.

MPs were told the failure to “locate” them meant details of the conference call could not be published – just one hour after Boris Johnson bowed to pressure to release details of the contracts.

GreenLunchBox · 17/11/2021 18:49

Not only are they corrupt, but they are so unprofessional, it is unreal

See this exchange with Sajid Javed today

twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1460877603632558086?t=dTEFWr61Y6_vEks58EjemQ&s=19

If I spoke to a customer at work like that I'd be sacked! These people are representing us on the world stage. It's unfathomable

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