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SDP...thinking of joining given stance on women's rights. anyone else?

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redfernstation · 30/09/2021 07:03

Just that really. Been a green vote most of my life, but gave up on them a while back. Have now found these

sdp.org.uk/policies/transgender-and-biological-sex-based-rights/

OP posts:
bellinisurge · 06/10/2021 16:01

No because I think they are pretty lame on things like LGB rights.

Jux · 07/10/2021 22:47

That's why I joined about 6 months ago. They can't be worse than any of the other smaller parties, except they have no MPs right now and probably won't be able to field candidates in every constituency once a GE happens, but hey. As you say, better than the Greens and LDs.

Maybe you could stand as an SDP candidate in your constituency? They were calling for interested people not long ago....... Grin

Bosky · 11/10/2021 18:36

@bellinisurge

No because I think they are pretty lame on things like LGB rights.
Could you expand on that? I looked on their website but there isn’t a Search function (bloody annoying!) and I didn’t want to wade through the whole lot.
Skysblue · 20/10/2021 21:06

Never heard of them! Look interesting although they do seem to say “patriotic” a lot, which beings back bad memories of the BNP. Good to see a sensible stance on protecting women’s spaces though.

ejhhhhh · 27/10/2021 18:57

The bit about the Environment on that webpage is decidedly lacklustre. I can't decide if they'd even be better than the Tories based on that.

Jux · 24/01/2022 13:17

They originally started by Shirley Williams decades ago and gradually morphed into the Lib Dems.

The thing that gives me pause for thought about them is their stance on the abolishment of the Lords, the only source of sanity in the Palace of Westminster at the moment. Another time I would agree with them that an unelected Chamber is unconstututional.

Phrenologistsfinger · 24/01/2022 15:05

I think they were/are pro-Brexit which makes them a no for me.

Bosky · 24/01/2022 16:02

Phrenologistsfinger - Yes, they were pro-Brexit.

2019 GENERAL ELECTION: A CAMPAIGN TALE FROM TOOTING

"As a small pro-Brexit party in a London seat with a big Labour majority, we knew that it wasn’t just a hill we had to climb, but a whole mountain range!"
Roz Hubley - SDP London Chairwoman

sdp.org.uk/sdptalk/2019-general-election-a-campaign-tale-from-tooting/

Jux - I agree about the House of Lords.

The thing about "morphing into the Lib Dems" is true of the bulk of the SDP but the current party is a re-incarnation of the minority of SDP members who did not want to merge with the Liberal Party and carried on as the "Continuing SDP" - and then continued carrying on after David Owen dissolved the "Continuing SDP"!

1981 - original Social Democratic Party, created by the "Gang of Four" (David Owen, Roy Jenkins, Bill Rodgers and Shirley Williams, all dissident Labour former ministers)

1988 - SDP votes to turn its electoral alliance with the Liberal Party into a full merger of the two parties. The new Social and Liberal Democrats (SLD) party thus gained all of the records and assets of the original SDP.

Three sitting SDP members of parliament—Owen, John Cartwright, and Rosie Barnes—did not join the SLD, and opted to create a new "continuing" Social Democratic Party. They were joined by a small minority of former members of the original SDP.

(The SDP was not alone in having members who rejected the merger with the Liberal Party to form the Social and Liberal Democrats. Among Liberals, Michael Meadowcroft led a breakaway faction which created a new Liberal Party.)

1990 - The "Continuing SDP" was dissolved in 1990 in the aftermath of a by-election in Bootle in which the party's candidate was beaten by Screaming Lord Sutch's Official Monster Raving Loony Party.

A number of SDP members, however, accused the party's National Executive of arranging the Bootle disaster as a “get-out clause” so that they could resurrect their political careers within the Conservative or Labour Parties.[citation needed] In a repeat of the events of 1988, a number of SDP activists met days after the National Executive had voted for dissolution and in defiance of the National Executive voted to create a new Social Democratic Party. This group was led by Jack Holmes, whose defeat by the Raving Loonies at Bootle had caused the party's demise.

(1990 - Social and Liberal Democrats (SLD) renamed as "Liberal Democrats)

1992 - Owen did not contest the 1992 general election. John Cartwright and Rosie Barnes – both National Executive members and members of parliament who had been left without a party after the 1990 winding-up vote – stood as "Independent Social Democrats" in the 1992 general election. The Liberal Democrats did not run candidates against them, and helped them with their campaigns. The new SDP (of which they were not members) also aided both Barnes in Greenwich and Cartwright in Woolwich in their bids for re-election. Cartwright and Barnes were allowed under Electoral Broadcasting rules to address the whole country in a joint Party Political Broadcast. Both narrowly lost their seats to Labour, which made substantial efforts to win both seats back.

1992–2008 - SDP concentrated on campaigning at local level, holding a few council seats in Yorkshire and South Wales.

2009–2017 - A handful of SDP councillors elected. SDP candidates performed woefully when they contested seats in General Elections 2015 (two SDP candidates) and 2017 General Elections (six SDP candidates).

2018–present - "Growth, new leadership and new declaration".

2018 - William Clouston became leader of the SDP, (re-elected March 2020). Member of the original party in the 1980s and remained with the continuing SDP after the merger with the Liberal Party.

New Declaration of aims and values published.
sdp.org.uk/new-declaration/

Patrick O'Flynn, MEP defected from UKIP to the SDP.

2019 - political journalists Rod Liddle and Giles Fraser announced that they had joined the party.

2021 - "SDP’s National New Deal" - SDP Policies published.
sdp.org.uk/policies/

Policies on:

Economics, Taxation, Housing, Health & Social Care, Family, Welfare & Social Security, Immigration, Crime & Justice, Defence, Foreign Affairs, Education, Transport, Constitution, Environment, Culture, Media & Sport, Agriculture & Rural Affairs, Energy & Utilities, Local Government, Animal Welfare, Academic Freedom, COVID-19, Industrial Policy, International Trade, Transgender & Biological Sex-Based Rights, Scottish Referendum

“The End of Indifference” published. Green paper on economics and industry shows why and how Britain must call time on four decades of debt and decline.
sdp.org.uk/the-end-of-indifference/

References:

liberalhistory.org.uk/history/formation-of-the-sdp/

Original SDP - most of which merged with The Liberal Party
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK)

Current SDP - emerged out of the "Continuing SDP", a minority of members led by David Owen who rejected the merger
"Social Democratic Party (UK, 1990–present)"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK,_1990%E2%80%93present)

Bosky · 24/01/2022 16:03

SDP on LGB rights

Previous posts:

bellinisurge "No because I think they are pretty lame on things like LGB rights."

Bosky - "Could you expand on that? I looked on their website but there isn’t a Search function (bloody annoying!) and I didn’t want to wade through the whole lot."

When bellinisurge did not reply to me I stalked SDP accounts on Twitter and noted how they replied to queries about LGB issues , rights and policies.

In summary, the replies were all along the lines of, "Why would we need special LGB policies, they are people just like everyone else."

I don't know whether this is a "blind spot" or indicative that the SDP rejects Identity Politics wholesale?

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The policy linked by the OP:

TRANSGENDER & BIOLOGICAL SEX-BASED RIGHTS

The liberal pursuit of individual autonomy and desire must be balanced by the common good. Some citizens feel at odds with the physiology and social role associated with their natal sex and can suffer distress. Transgender people should be treated with dignity and respect, in keeping with their acquired gender in most situations. However, these rights must be balanced against the need of natal females for safety and sporting fairness. Biological sex is real and politically significant. This requires an absolute stance on relevant legal definitions in some domains.

POLICY PLEDGES:

  • Transgender individuals wishing to change their legal sex should be allowed to do so. However, we support the continued necessity for medical gatekeeping in any legal change of sex marker. We oppose proposals that would allow someone to change their legal sex by self-identification only.
  • We support segregation by biological sex in sport. Fair competition is not secured if male-bodied transgender athletes are permitted to compete in women’s sport and, in the case of contact sports, the risk of injury can increase significantly.
  • We support segregation by biological sex in prisons and women’s refuges in order to safeguard the safety and privacy of natal females.
  • Separate prisons or prison accommodation should be provided for transgender citizens to ensure their safety and privacy.
  • Healthcare spending and resources for gender dysphoric individuals, including long-term psychological intervention, should be provided at sufficient levels. Physical or drug-based medical treatments for gender dysphoria should be prohibited for anyone under 18 years of age.
  • We support the retention of biological sex and gender identity as distinct categories in public sector data gathering such as crime statistics, poverty metrics or public health research.
  • We support the use of plain English for discussions of biological sex in health and reproductive care.

sdp.org.uk/policies/transgender-and-biological-sex-based-rights/

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I am still in the Labour Party and dithering about where, if anywhere, to jump!

Bosky · 24/01/2022 16:10

Link fail in previous post! Hope this works instead:

Current SDP - emerged out of the "Continuing SDP", a minority of members led by David Owen who rejected the merger

"Social Democratic Party (UK, 1990–present)"
Wikipedia:
tinyurl.com/ywsmm5zf

Jux · 13/04/2022 11:33

@Phrenologistsfinger, just wondering why Brexit is relevant? We've left, we can't do anything about it.

Newrumpus · 16/04/2022 15:13

[quote Jux]**@Phrenologistsfinger, just wondering why Brexit is relevant? We've left, we can't do anything about it.[/quote]
It is just short hand for bad without the need for thought or reason

Jux · 17/04/2022 09:25

Newrumpus, ah, I see. With respect, though:

PhrenologistsFinger, is that your point?

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