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Will the penny finally drop?

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Newrumpus · 07/05/2021 14:47

Will the penny finally drop with the Labour Party that they cannot win back their lost strongholds until they reform their attitudes toward the working class? Or is the Labour Party doomed to be a minority middle class group increasingly out of touch with the wider population? Or possibly to split? What do you think?

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FifteenToes · 02/07/2021 14:01

The problem is though that you're not addressing the disconnect.

"A fair day's pay for a fair day's work" ran through everything about Labour's 2017 and 2018 manifestos. You claim that that's what WC people want, but when it was offered to them they didn't vote for it, they voted for the exact opposite: a party who had historically decimated their jobs and communities, and more recently imposed a decade of austerity. A party that convinced them Brexit is going to make them better off by getting rid of immigrants, so that it can be used precisely for the opposite of "a fair day's pay for a fair day's work" - ie a bonfire of workers' rights.

That this decision was aided by rejection of Corbyn on the grounds of superficial cultural aversion to the middle class is fact: I canvassed and I heard the objections. That that showing your aversion to the middle class and your determination to assert working class empowerment by voting for the Tories is irrational is, IMO, inescapable. Unless you can explain it to me and somehow square that circle. You're welcome to try.

You can accuse me of stereotyping, but all I'm doing is pointing out the disconnect between supposed motivations and actions. Any psychologist will tell you the reasons people say they do things are often a poor guide to why they really do them.

And this thread is about a party that is, at least nominally according to its statement of aims and values, socialist. So if your answer to why the WC won't vote for them is that the WC don't want socialism (and I think you may well be right) then that's basically the end of the conversation, isn't it?

They can carry on voting for neoliberalism then. Their choice. Not my problem.

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TrifleCat · 03/07/2021 11:07

FifteenToes

You are clearly still not listening. Until you are prepared to actually try and see things from a different point of view other than your own then you will never understand why other people vote differently to you.

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FifteenToes · 03/07/2021 21:17

OK. Why did a lot of working class people vote conservative then?

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