Would we really go war with France 🇫🇷?

[3asAbird]

This came up on news feed surely its right wing press over exaggeration i hope.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/14862463/royal-navy-defend-jersey-fishermen-france-electricity/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

French Fishermen threats blockade Jersey
Cut off their electrics
Supported by French minister.

The whole brexit issue always seems come back to fishing.
My understanding is neither British fishing community or French were b
Happy with this deal.
Really has felt like UK/ France relationship at all time low the past few years and as much as Boris can be an idiot so can macron.
So are they both will waving?
Boris with his ships and Macron threat electrical supply backed by his own ministers are are the French serious about this?

Jersey was never part of the EU, so it's an interesting place for a fishing rights question to have come up.

Using threats of cutting the electricity is just appalling

Will we go to war with France , as in declare war ? No , it's that simple.

No

Its all just a bit crazy.
Some French think there's a fringe anti French people in power in Jersey determined exploit brexit for their own gain.

Now the French navy are going in not sure they a match for our 2 navy ships.

I get confused with island's in general.
One went to canaries then accidentally brought back too much duty free as although it was Spain lanzarote was never part if the EU.

Are the British Islands same thought they were sovereign in thier own right of governance yet part of the crown so was Jersey never in the EU to begin with.
Never been to Jersey thought they had amicable relations with the French and lots speak French on the island.
I assume uk gave them vaccines like they did with other British areas like Gibraltar, older of mann, Falklands.

Guess could be saber rattling.
Would cutting off their power not be a act of war?
Surely in these crap times and so much travel between Wales and UK we just need to learn how to get on.
France covid levels still fairly high shouldn't they focus on that rather than declare war on Jersey.
I know its gear up to French election but how would this action boost votes.
Its so confusing.

I think fishing was contentious issue during brexit negotiations and France said several times they dident want to compromise.
Could the rest if EU over ride this action if France proceed with threats as doesn't sound like it be good for anyone .

Gives our right wing press a good non covid story I guess.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/14862463/royal-navy-defend-jersey-fishermen-france-electricity/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

An alternative account from the sun, in my view more accurate and balanced:

www.ft.com/content/d5de83a9-9da8-48b3-bca4-730c60fc7a8b

I think an overreaction to send naval vessels. Interesting how the government seems to pay more importance to Jersey, a tax haven whose governments have a disgraceful record on acting on child abuse, than Northern Ireland.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57003069.amp

So Jersey completely independent of the UK yet as Crown dependent on UK to defend it if went to war with France.

But how France retaliate with we cut off whole islands electricity supply is just barking mad and over reaction.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56984886

Feels like UK can't do any right in France eyes.
It appears some well 41 French boats been given licence to fish so not totally discrimatory against France.
Jersey responsible own fishing rules and licences.
Surely so close culturally island maybe feels more French than British.

Boris making sure the papers all reporting "Boris sends navy to Jersey" headlines on the morning of elections in some sort of weird dick waving competition

The man is a fucking liability

Cutting off power could be perceived as an act of war (casus belli argument as per the Suez crisis), but countries commit acts of war all the time and war doesn't start. Think of this as more of an interstate militarised dispute: there will be tension, and that tension will be used to tie hands and sink costs until one party backs off and accepts their domestic audience costs. It's likely to be France. I wouldn't worry about it.

@BonnieDundee

Boris making sure the papers all reporting "Boris sends navy to Jersey" headlines on the morning of elections in some sort of weird dick waving competition

The man is a fucking liability

I agree. Shameful.

It's ridiculous that France are threatening to cut off electricity to Jersey.

Its Jersey's waters to decide on fishing. French fishermen feel they have a raw deal. There should be diplomacy going on not saner rattling. But I can see why naval vessels were sent, as the 40+ fishing boats were acting aggressively and it was escalating. No one engaged and no shots fired.

Boris is a negotiator. I'm not Tory, but he gets a harsh ores as he can't do right for doing wrong. It would better far more helpful if people posted what they would do instead - showing full understanding of the politics involved to provide a solution rather than simply criticising.

It's easy to say that's wrong but far harder to find a solution that recognises this is the position we are all in and wok with that.

A harsh deal not 'ores'

@BonnieDundee

Boris making sure the papers all reporting "Boris sends navy to Jersey" headlines on the morning of elections in some sort of weird dick waving competition

The man is a fucking liability

Yep! I washing to write just that but you have nailed it.

@threeteenstaximum

It's ridiculous that France are threatening to cut off electricity to Jersey.

Its Jersey's waters to decide on fishing. French fishermen feel they have a raw deal. There should be diplomacy going on not saner rattling. But I can see why naval vessels were sent, as the 40+ fishing boats were acting aggressively and it was escalating. No one engaged and no shots fired.

Boris is a negotiator. I'm not Tory, but he gets a harsh ores as he can't do right for doing wrong. It would better far more helpful if people posted what they would do instead - showing full understanding of the politics involved to provide a solution rather than simply criticising.

It's easy to say that's wrong but far harder to find a solution that recognises this is the position we are all in and wok with that.

The news update was bit confusing last night.

Both British and French navy gone home
French Fishermen returned to France.
No update on cutting off electric I assume that was just political posturing.
The fisherman said they still not happy and we haven't heard the end if of it.
Although fishing small % gdp its hugely political issue in uk and France and was contentious part of brexit negotiations.

The French were unhappy they couldn't have face face discussions with Jersey officials however that did happen yesterday.
BBC implied Jersey had been in talks with eu which initially confused me but then realised negotiations and communication are between eu and Jersey and some stuff hadent been properly communicated by eu to France or lost in translation.
Its nothing to do with brexit. Jersey is not part of the eu uts a independent island so I assume they must have some sort longstanding agreements between eu and themselves and same with uk although nearer France I guess I don't know how many British fisherman fish around Germany.

The Crown dependence thing is odd as we defend them but we don't have any power or influence over them what Jersey decides is its own business.

I expect Boris loved playing white Knight and was willy waving a little however appeared just ships presence was needed to deter and diffuse trouble

3asAbird

I understand all of that, have been following the story as it is related in multiple
News agencies

Everyone is criticising BJ but what else could he do? I am not a Tory. But it's frustrating when other complain and have no realistic solution

It's complex politics and sovereignty

We have a responsibility as U.K. to protect them, French fishermen were bullying and blockading.

It needs a political negotiation. I don't think France has come well out of this. Because there is always a compromise that doesn't involve bullying tactics,

I'm ok that BJ sent the navy as we have a deal with Jersey that we protect them. It didn't escalate and they nipped it in the bud by a show of "this is protected waters"

The rest can be dealt with by talks and negotiations

I not BJs biggest fan but even I have to acknowledge he is pretty sensible and measured and can talk the hind legs off a donkey.

Everyone wants to criticise him but until I hear better solutions that aren't harking back to pre National referendum stuff, then let the man do his job!

We have a responsibility to Jersey. They are British responsibility because they stayed loyal to their king when he lost his lands in Normandy. (ie the Normans conquered us, then later lost Normandy).

The French love a good protest. Sending a couple of navy boats is just us showing we're on Jersey's side and won't just roll over.

The posturing about electricity was OTT.

Jersey feel British with a French flavour when you visit.
Can't wait to go back having had to miss last year.

@TeenMinusTests

We have a responsibility to Jersey. They are British responsibility because they stayed loyal to their king when he lost his lands in Normandy. (ie the Normans conquered us, then later lost Normandy).

The French love a good protest. Sending a couple of navy boats is just us showing we're on Jersey's side and won't just roll over.

The posturing about electricity was OTT.

Jersey feel British with a French flavour when you visit.
Can't wait to go back having had to miss last year.

I would love to visit Jersey 🇯🇪.

I dontvknow if sky news being dense ir the French.

Michael barnier said Britain were behaving like pirates.

Jersey is not Britain
They have their own government
Thejr own rules and laws.
Our only duty is to protect them in events of war?
They were never part of EU so talks about brexut negotiations i dident think involved Jersey.
Jersey is technically a 3rd country and should deal directly with France or the eu.
Why drag uk into it.

On other side of coin if Jersey relies on France to sell their fish makes no sense piss them off.
Unless they found uk or other countries want to buy more fish and they feel like France takes more than it buys.
Very odd situation.

news.sky.com/story/post-brexit-fish-fight-jersey-isnt-backing-down-and-french-are-retaliating-12304437