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19 replies

Alanis126 · 12/12/2019 08:29

Regardless of the seat outcome and government it looks likely that around 43% of the British electorate will vote Tory today. This after a decade of crushing austerity, food banks and a leader with a history of racist and misogynist remarks who is hellbent on taking the country out if the EU. How on earth did this happen? What is wrong with people??

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bluejelly · 12/12/2019 08:50

Feel the same. People are being massively hoodwinked.

berrylands · 13/12/2019 02:00

Maybe we have to admit that most people are happy with how things are and couldn't give a flying flamingo about people that struggle.

BubblesBuddy · 13/12/2019 17:29

Most people don’t want too many ridiculous giveaway policies. They just won’t pay for them. They would be happy with centre left policies but Corbyn’s Labour was felt not to support security, the armed forces and aspirational people. It was all doom and gloom and the spending was far too ambitious.

B0bbin · 13/12/2019 17:31

I feel like we're doomed now to a very grim 5 years.Sad

Bluntness100 · 13/12/2019 17:32

You know how it happened, it was either that or an anti Semitic socialist party with a suspected terrorist /Ira sympathiser at its helm. Who promised polices that would have bankrupted the U.K. and left generations poorer.

bellinisurge · 13/12/2019 17:36

How did any of you vote in the Brexit referendum? How exhausted have you been about all this shenanigans once Theresa May brought her Withdrawal Agreement to Parliament?
If the answers are Leave and Very, that's why people voted Tory.
You need to get over it. Celebrate the massive electoral changes now in NI, dump Corbyn for an electable centrist, watch the Tories fuck this up with no one else to blame and remember: all this will pass.

berrylands · 13/12/2019 19:42

@BubblesBuddy : there were no ridiculous give away policies in the Labour manifesto. Many economists said that they were necessary policies. Corbyn is centre left, a lot more moderate than the parties in government in Nordic countries.
Child poverty is at its highest. People that can help need to help.
@Bluntness100 Labour is not anti-Semitic. Being critical with Israel policies is not the same as being anti-Semitic.Tories on the other hand are openly islamophobic, homophobic and sexist.
If the policies of labour would have bankrupted the country, how would that have looked like? Food banks, disabled people dying without support, the nhs collapsing, children that go to school hungry...? We are there already.
Rich people keep getting richer and don't see the need to help. This is not right.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 13/12/2019 19:47

Labour is not anti-Semitic yep keep up the denial, after all look how well that’s done for labour until now

berrylands · 13/12/2019 19:59

@OnlyFoolsnMothers Could you please link me to some information showing labour anti-Semitism, other than Tories' accusations?
I could link racist comments of many tories, but this shouldn't be the point.
The point is there's lots of people in need of help in this country and it's our duty to help.

bellinisurge · 13/12/2019 20:09

What @OnlyFoolsnMothers said

bellinisurge · 13/12/2019 20:09

A lot of people in this country just voted Tory.

bellinisurge · 13/12/2019 20:11

And a lot of them think a strong economy is the best way to help

BonnesVacances · 13/12/2019 20:29

And a lot of them think a strong economy is the best way to help

So how does that fit with tanking the economy with Brexit? Confused

birdsdestiny · 13/12/2019 20:34

Berry. Perhaps you could ask luciana Berger about it. She might be able to enlighten you.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 13/12/2019 20:37

There’s a panorama program still on iPlayer all about the anti Semitic Labour Party! Can’t link to my iPlayer app but I would propose you start there.

bellinisurge · 13/12/2019 20:41

I voted Remain precisely because I thought Brexit would harm the economy. I lost. I spoiled my ballot because I didn't think any of them worthy of my vote.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 13/12/2019 20:42

Also you can be as anti Israeli as you like- but ask yourself why out of all the issues and conflicts in the world Corbyn is holding onto this one like a dog with a bone- he’s obsessed! Combined with his praise for an Anti Semitic mural!!!

bellinisurge · 13/12/2019 20:42

But other people, in good faith, think this lot would do a better job.

mummyrocks1 · 13/12/2019 21:05

Having spoken to friends who are well informed, bright and hold very good, high level jobs, they did vote Tory because they thought it was the best choice. They said it's a better choice than a Corbyn government, which is scary. They thought Brexit should be done to end uncertainty and with a labour government it will continue rolling on for years. They didn't think Corbyn could negotiate a better deal than boris and if labour got in it would be with the SNP which would led to a referendum for Scotland.

What surprised me was many of them work as GPS in the NHS, they told me they were very much being influenced to vote labour. However, they still voted conservative. They described feeling undervalued and overworked, and the huge lack of funds but they didn't think the situation would be better under labour. They said it was the system, it was the ethos that had been developed. Throwing more money at it wasn't going to make it better.

This did really make me think when NHS workers are actually voting conservative.

To me, I think Tory won on the let's get Brexit done slogan, they fought a better campaign, he had charisma and won because he's good a talking the talk. A stronger labour leader who was less radical and had more charisma would done better. A real opportunity missed.

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