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I feel like a cow

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magento · 21/09/2019 21:56

I feel like a complete and utter cow. My friends and I were talking about politics last night. One of my friends said she was a socialist and I just said I wouldn't be voting for Jeremy Corbyn. I don't believe he's a honest man.

I believe in freedom, that people should aspire to become the best they can be and not be bogged down by too many taxes. And that it wasn't down to government to provide all society needs. I believe in charity and helping people, of course I do. But I want to see a return of personal responsibility to the UK. Everyone seems entitled to everything and nobody is kind to each other anymore. I find the general attitude of the UK (ignoring the big elephant in the room) to be improving since the conservatives. I see a lot more young people starting businesses and just getting on with things because they have to. Of course there are people that are suffering - I do see this - on the streets more homeless people. People struggling on universal credit etc. I Daniel Blake makes me so sad - it really does. It's a dire situation. But what I was trying to get across to my
Friends was that it's everyone's responsibility to
Do something about something - that's how we get real results.

I feel like a selfish cow because I this doesn't make me a socialist does it?

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daffodilbrain · 22/09/2019 20:22

You believe in a meritocracy. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not sure Corbyn is a traditional socialist I think he and his cronies are hard left. 21st Century Stalin.

Fleetheart · 22/09/2019 20:29

I’m a socialist but I won’t be voting for JC.
I don’t think though that things have been improving since the conservatives have been in. All the vulnerable people are now falling through the holes. There are homeless camps everywhere. Children with special needs are not being educated properly, and companies are going to the wall because there are no long term policies to support things like retail.

And what about the NHS? I think the Lib Dems are the only hope at the moment. The conservatives are outrageous.

cdtaylornats · 22/09/2019 22:35

Do you realise no one did anything when lamplighters and knockers-up went to the wall. Banning coal fires did for sweeps and young lads.

Everything eventually has its time.

magento · 23/09/2019 11:06

We need to invest in people in the UK. For everyone to collectively stand together. Jeremy Corbyn wants to close private schools - this is where we're at. I think that's a disgusting proposal. We need to look out for each other again and not demand things - I'm entitled to this and that. I'm all for helping people but entitled people will never help themselves. I just hope they don't think I'm a cow.

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HollowTalk · 23/09/2019 11:08

There is no way on this earth that private schools will close. To be honest with the complete mess that the UK is in, it's the very last of its problems.

magento · 23/09/2019 11:16

I know but it's something labour wants to do. We need a better labour party.

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katmarie · 23/09/2019 12:20

Surely that's the definitiion of socialism, that it is everyone's responsibility to pitch in to society? Conservatism allows the most wealthy to opt out of a lot of social responsibilities, or to pay someone else to manage them for them. Socialism (at least British socialism) is about everyone coming together to support each other, and particularly the most vulnerable and needy in society. I think the Labour party has lost some of that in it's ethos at the moment. I've voted for them all my life and am struggling with the idea of doing so this time round.

However there is a lot of "Jeremy Corbyn wants" and "Corbyn has decided" in the press, and that is simply not how the Labour party works. Jeremy Corbyn does not necessarily want to close private schools. He may well think it's a terrible idea. But he doesnt have a choice. Labour policy is directed by the democratic approach. Motions are written by party members, including union members, ordinary people, MP's and shadow cabinet members. Those motions are put to the delegate conference and voted on. If they pass, they become policy. It is not Jeremy Corbyn unilatirally making these decisions, but the membership of the party as a whole. Anyone can join the labour party and write a motion to conference. if it gets enough support it becomes policy. Jeremy Corbyn is bound by the party constitution to lead the party in enacting that policy.

The party itself seems to have lost it's way, I agree, but I think it misunderstands how the party works to lay all of the blame on Corbyn.

magento · 23/09/2019 13:05

Yes but my experience of socialism hasn't been good. For example , with the nhs - I think the laziest person benefits the most. If you see what I mean. If you go into work, don't care , don't try your best - your manager won't come after you because they want an easy life too. Eventually everyone gives up in the process. I had a bad experience when I had my babies - in the maternity ward. No help available after birth. Also with schools , I've had a bad experience there too - I used to work in a school , - head teacher wanted an easy life - noone questioned her as everyone else wanted easy life too. Eventually everyone stops doing everything and it grinds to a halt. If you have a for business charity - managers wouldn't be able to be like this and people would be cared for better. I am also aware of the pit falls of this - but with an union etc it could create balance.

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magento · 23/09/2019 13:06
  • sorry - for business company not charity. Charities I support also.
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360eyes · 24/09/2019 10:51

Agree with katmarie on this

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