If Labour, SNP & Lib Dems win the election ...

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...what will be their aim for Brexit?

I'm of the understanding that:
Labour - Will work for the UK to leave the EU
SNP - Want Scotland to stay in the EU but accept that England voted to leave.
Lib Dems - Will work for the UK to stay in the EU

How will they combine these 3 aims? I haven't seen any news answering this question for me. Anyone here know?

The question is based on them forming a coalition.

I'm not sure if this is a quiet time on here or if I've asked an awful question but really, does anyone know what would happen about Brexit if we end up with this coalition?
I keep hearing that the chances of this happening are more and more likely.

Could anyone please just reply to say if they can see this message - I'm wondering whether I've set this up right.

I can see the message. I thought JC had said he wouldn't go into a coalition

Thank you mamapants . I'm so glad you posted, I was thinking nobody could see the thread.

About going into a coalition though - I think he would if it meant he could make a government. The same happened with Lib Dem and Conservative before. SNP have already said they would.

So as it's a possibility (and many people are encouraging a Labour vote), what would be the Brexit outcome of a coalition?

(I'm sorry to keep asking but the election is getting very close and I really don't know the answer to this question.)

Ok so firstly I think it's sadly unlikely they would form a coalition but if they did I don't feel that pulling out of Brexit would be a focus no.

Also I think the greens may have I be included to win enough seats.

It's the focus of the lib dems but not of the other parties which I think makes it unlikely.

Someone mentioned forming an alliance rather than a coalition but this confused me immensely! Anyone knowledgable care to explain ?

IMO (unpopular on MN I'm sure)...

There would not be enough alcohol in the UK to deal with this outcome.

No matter how bad some people think Theresa May/The Conservatives would be, anything else would be far worse.

Let's get a decent Brexit deal sorted out, then we can focus on getting the UK as we want it.

A formal coalition isn't something any of these three parties fancy at the moment - it would more likely be some kind of confidence and supply agreement.

Labour & LibDems are unionist parties who fundamentally disagree with the whole basis of the SNP. The SNP doesn't want to give any credit to Labour. Labour spend all their time saying the Lib Dems in the last coalition 'propped up' the Tories, so are now in a sticky place for suggesting it might be a stable form of government. LibDems were shafted for going into coalition so they're not keen on it.

Coalition of Chaos is just Tory scaremongering.

ok, so no coalition but maybe some sort of agreement between the parties (or maybe Greens), but which party's aim would be used for the Brexit negotiations? Would it be Labour's if they had the most seats or would there be some negotiation between themselves first do you think?

Thank you everyone for answering.

With no coalition they'd operate on party lines but perhaps negotiate around detail to make sure they had support to get bills through.

I think Labour might go into a coalition with the SNP but not the Lib Dems. They are essentially Tory-lives and have already said they'd go into a coalition with the Tories again (and look how that went).

I'd like to see a coalition between Labour and the Greens but think that Trident might be a sticking point.

They've said no coalition.

This is really confusing me - does this mean that if a coalition/confidence & supply agreement is the outcome of this election there is no clear aim for the Brexit negotiations?

Watching the debates there is a lot of talk about the different opinions of what's best: about good deals, bad deals, no deals, soft Brexit, hard Brexit, staying in the single market, leaving the single market, staying in the EU even.

Is it fair to say in conclusion that a confidence & supply agreement/coalition including Lib Dem, Labour, SNP or Greens could result in any of the above except the possibility of no deal?

I think this is a good question. Essentially you're asking what happens to policy (specifically Brexit) in the event of a hung parliament given that at the moment it's not an unexpected outcome.

Parties will never say who they'll go into coalition with because they want to get as many votes and seats as possible, it's a standard line but ultimately meaningless as the only way to get a government is to form an alliance or coalition.

The point is none will have a great enough mandate to force through their vision of Brexit (as outlined in manifestos) so there has to be compromise and it's likely that they would work with the party with the most similar Brexit objectives since it does appear to be the dominant issue.

Therefore, I coulf see labour and Lib dem working together because Lib dem are promising a referendum on Brexit deal (knowing they'll never get a majority government to actually negotiate it) and labour have promised a parliamentary vote if the deal is deemed to be worse than we have now (I think...?!). Surely there's synergies there? SNP only want a labour coalition as NS would have JC for breakfast and she's met her match with TM.

Green Party won't have enough seats to make a difference

Interested to know other people's thoughts

Did you join MN just so that you could post about how "confused" you are about how an alternative to the Conservatives' "strong and stable" Theresa May could possibly figure out how to do Brexit?

Are you going to suggest that we all vote Conservative in order to make sure a coalition (that you're confused about how it could possibly manage Brexit) doesn't happen?

They wouldn't need a coalition necessarily. They could pass most of their policies with backing from SNP and LibDems on a case-by-case basis and wouldn't need the LibDems and SNP for Brexit because the Tories would vote in favour of that.

Beachcomber: no I didn't. Is there something wrong with me asking the question? I posted in the politics section, where else or who else should I ask?

DumbledoresApprentice: Thank you - I think I can see how it would work out from your answer.

Thank you MN.

If you plan on voting Labour to "save" the NHS - look what Socialist policies in Scotland have done - note NHS in the article refers to NHS Scotland.

www.pressreader.com/@Gloria_McGuigan/csb_HbpJjDefHZOCfXBN6CQzEGxt3lDUBA-2EnQ_ztkGwMM

cdtaylornats that's not "socialist policies" as you call it, that's mismanagement of the NHS (and education) by SNP. That has nothing to do with Labour or this thread so I'm lost as to why you've posted it here.

On the OP question, it's likely to be a confidence and supply agreement and on the issue of Brexit, Labour would negotiate a Brexit deal (as good a deal as anyone would get) with Kier Starmer at the helm. Then the deal would probably go to the Commons for a vote so all parties can vote on it, don't think it would be subject to a confidence and supply arrangement on Brexit deal.

Therefore the coalition issue is

None of them know what they're doing on brexit anyhow. David Davis recently admitted he 'forgot' it would have implications for EHIC and there is no 'good deal' to be done. The EU won't let Britain get away with anything but a worse deal than we currently have being in. So in that sense you want the people who want the softest brexit possible and not piss off the other member states.

I think the question is a good one. Although they have each stated that they are not interested in a formal coalition, the SNP would certainly be interested in more input into brexit negotiations, and all of the parties might coalesce around an aim of staying within the single market. From a Scottish independentist perspective, the SNP would also seek maximum devolution of powers from EU direct to Scotland. When I think about it, the closer the relationship of the UK remains to the EU, the easier it will be at a later point for Scotland to become independent without complex issues around trade to sort out. There is no reason why this should conflict with the aims of the other parties involved, or hinder negotiations, and for myself, an informal alliance of these parties and the Greens would be a vast improvement on Theresa May's Trump-appeasing, isolationist fuckfest approach.

I would give it a year or two then a vote of no confidence will bring the government down, followed by 10 to 15 years of the Tories until the Labour Party sees sense and makes Sadiq Khan leader.