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To the Preachy Labour Supporters

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TooTiredAgain · 08/05/2017 08:40

Since the local election result, I have read many messages on social media insulting me, as a Tory suporter. Apparently I am self-seeking and should be ashamed of myself. Usually these threads hint that I obviously don't care about poor or disabled people.

It should no longer be acceptable for these preachy self-rightious Labour sympathisers to get away with making inaccurate, hurtful, sweeping generalisations, as if it's the acceptable norm.

Every Tory supporter reading those posts - including the ones who struggle financially to get by each month, the ones with disabilities, the ones that do a lot of charitable work (and there are lots and lots of them judging by the numbers who voted Tory; I personally know many) also read that they are self-seeking and should be ashamed of themselves.

Why do you think that all Tory supporters are wealthy? You are wrong, of course.

Let me explain why I voted Tory.
The thing that I am most concerned about is the National Debt. We are constantly debating how there is not enough money to go around, making cuts, arguing about where money should be spent, etc, beause the country does not recieve enough income to provide adequately for things.

The National Debt repayments and borrowing are spiralling out of control. Future generations will have to pay for the damage that this causes to the economy - the poorest and most needy people will be hit the hardest by any economic hardship this causes (there are lots of articles of the net that predict what will happen).

When the Tory's came to power they said they wanted to get the debt under control. That meant being cautious about spending, and there would be cuts. Labour suggested they would continue to borrow and did not talk about tackling it. I don't like everything the Conservatives do, but ALL parties do things that hurt people because money is short (Labour's ended Student Grants, introduced Student Loans, for example). Realistically only two viable parties; it's not like we have lots of choice.

[Read my post below if you want an explanation of why recent reports - written by angry Labour supporters - that Conservatives have made the debt worse than Labour are inaccurate]

I knew that the Tory's austerity would affect my living standards along with others. We are not a well-off family and struggle as it is, by the way. But If the debt continues to grow, cuts to the most needy sectors of society (along with all sectors) will get worse and worse.

Please explain why MY reason for voting makes me self-seeking? People vote the way they do, for lots of reasons. YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR REASONS OR CIRUMSTANCES, so don't make assumptions.

Paradoxically, the Labour supporters that preach and insult on my Facebook feed, happen to all be very very well off. That's irony for you. I wonder if they do anything significant for charity, or do they just waste energy verbally attacking Tory voters on social media?

OP posts:
squishysquirmy · 08/05/2017 13:29

Austerity was needed, imo (not an economist but have really tried to read around the issue and understand as much as possible) but not to the extent it was imposed. Some of the cuts were false economies: Short term savings, which are likely to result in higher costs in the future.
Cut the fat: necessary.
Cut into muscle: Painful, and risky.
Hack away at the bones: Store up very serious long term problems, both societal and economic.
(Sorry, gross analogy).

Deranger01 · 08/05/2017 13:30

Also, let's be clear, labour are not running on a 'let's raise taxes a bit and fund existing things better' moderate platform. They want to borrow £500bn to create a national investment bank, that's absolutely terrible in the wrong hands. I hope they drop that from the manifesto. I also think the political interference in the minimum wage setting is all wrong.

soapboxqueen · 08/05/2017 13:30

muckypup I agree with you on Corbyn. He's as much use as a chocolate tea pot. Yes some of his supporters can be aggressive and almost evangelical about him. Which is why I left the labour party. I'm still voting labour though, well I'm voting 'not - tory' iyswim and in my constituency 'not tory' is labour.

elkegel · 08/05/2017 13:33

The Tories have borrowed ridiculous amounts and increased the debt while imposing austerity measures that have stifled growth in the economy. The cuts they have made are a short term gain for long term pain and many of them make no financial sense. They are destroying the NHS and we will probably lose it altogether in a few years. The cuts are not just made for the purposes of reducing the debt, however, with the Tories it's ideological.

All of this pales into significance, however, when you consider that they have made the worst political decision for generations in allowing a referendum on a simple majority basis on leaving the EU.

That one shitty, arrogant decision has plunged us into economic strife for years to come.

How anyone can think they are doing a great job and vote for them is unbelievable.

Deranger01 · 08/05/2017 13:35

i agree with that squishy on austerity, i feel we've got a somewhat incompetent party (tory) and a really incompetent party (corbyn's leadership of labour). I'm hoping labour can raise their game a LOT for the next GE after this one.

squishysquirmy · 08/05/2017 13:43

Deranger01 Grin I would like to promise that JC will definitely, 100% not be PM, if it would change your vote, but politics is so unpredictable nowadays! That said, I would be much more surprised by a Labour victory than by Trump's election, the leave vote, or even by if Le-pen had won in France. The polls aren't even close, and everything is in May's favour - including the media, the timing, the division within Labour over Brexit....
What are your local candidates like individually? That is a big factor in how I'm voting.

I don't think that huge majorities are healthy for democracy, especially when such massive, long reaching decisions need to be made. I really want to see a decent number of MP's on the opposition benches, to do the crucial job of scrutinising the government and holding them to account. I don't think Corbyn is as bad as some people do (although he would not be my first choice for Labour leader), there are things I like about him. I hope that if Labour lose- even if it isn't a landslide - he admits defeat and steps down. I think otherwise there will be another messy leadership challenge, and he wont be able to hang on again. I also hope that there will be enough Labour MPs left to produce a new leader.

Deranger01 · 08/05/2017 14:29

i shall take a better look at my local labour person and the manifesto before I vote, and the polls. My main fear is that Corbyn will claim any result is a victory. The local elections were horrendous and he described them as 'mixed'. Burnham won despite him...

ShotsFired · 08/05/2017 14:39

I'm fed up with all the posters and memes that say that Labour are going to ride in on a white horse and save the NHS, give the entire public sector pay rises, raise the min wage, award everyone a free unicorn, save the cheerleader and save the world and on and on and on. All spending the same money over and over again.

InfiniteSheldon · 08/05/2017 14:55

OP I couldn't agree more I had a friend after th e last GE post something along the lines of "stepped in dogshit outside my frontdoor today couldn't smell it over the stench of tories" another who posted "if you voted Tory you're a selfish idiot" she is a regular churchgoer and teaches RE at a local private school! Seriously do they think this is a winning tactic, only my Labour voting friends ex friends have behaved like this. My job involves meeting a large range of people a week and involves a lot of social media. Many add me on social media and for a long time I tried to keep a variety of friends. I don't want to live in a social media echo chamber but I delete or unfollow anyone who posts like this now.

Deranger01 · 08/05/2017 15:05

I just checked my facebook and one of my Corbyn following mates has liked a webpage called 'the tories are killing Britain' and today's evidence is that they've made VAT rises over a timeframe going back to 1979.

This is the sort of stuff that really gets my goat. Putting up VAT is not equivalent to killing. In fact, I wish both parties would campaign to put taxes up in careful ways to reduce the deficit and for us to get real about what the services we already have cost.

TheNaze73 · 08/05/2017 15:13

You make some good points OP. People will choose on June 8th. Labour had their 13 years & royally fucked most of the country over. People won't forget that. Anyone with a pension would need their head examing after the Brown legacy

Everytimeref · 08/05/2017 15:16

Sorry personally feel that any Tory complaint about unfairness about labelling them "the nasty party" was lost when the Daily Fail labelled anyone who doesn't vote for Tory "Saboteurs"

ShotsFired · 08/05/2017 15:56

Why would you think that the Fail is the mouthpiece of any sane individual, let alone the sole speaker for all Conservative voters?

What a bizarre comment.

soapboxqueen · 08/05/2017 16:04

ShotsFired Why would a few mouthy unpleasant individuals be the mouth piece for all labour voters? Works both ways.

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