Trump (Part 6)

[claig]

More on Trump

It is a Trump world and as the Modi saying goes

“Aab Ki Baar Trump Sarkar”

and as the Stump for Trump Sisters say

"Get on the Trump Train or get the hell out of the way"

Rock'n'roll

It is interesting how Trump supporters all seem to skate over his administration appointees, their donations to him, their personal and business interests that conflict with what will be their public responsibilities, and the personal advantages to him lying behind those appointments. Put that together with his own conflicts of interest and there is a very nasty whiff of corruption.

The only response of his supporters is essentially to say "They're all successful people so it must be OK", or to try a pointless "Look over there" argument. They don't attempt to produce evidence that demonstrates that we can have confidence that these people will never act in their own or Trump's personal interests, and indeed they can't really when it's an administration that will be headed by a man who won't tell us how he will deal with his own conflicts of interest.

'Your happy go lucky, stick it up to the establishment, naive, alt-right attitudes are callous and dangerous.
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Why don't you give your patronising, snidey attitude a day off? It's Christmas, show some good cheer.

I have no alt-right attitudes, there is no such thing. Just because the media educated you about alt-right in the past few weeks doesn't mean that common sense is alt-right.

Britain voted for Brexit, you didn't like it, America voted for Trump, you didn't like it, and I think as Farage says that the EU will bust up, and you won't like it. Tough, that is history, that is the popular will.

The British people didn't believe Cameron that we could end up with war in Europe if we didn't vote to remain and we didn't believe Donald Tusk of the FU when he said it would be "the end of Western Civilization" if we didn't remain in the EU, so spare us your warnings of "war in Europe and Britain turning into Syria" if the EU breaks up when you couldn't even predict Brexit or a Trump victory.

Do you think economic crisis combined with extreme political instability in Europe is a good thing then Claig? You can't see that some of the losers in that situation might just be among "the people"?

Oh yes Deepan

Info lifted from elsewhere.

"As the head of the Trump Organization, the incoming president has financial interests in hundreds of companies, spread over at least 20 countries. He also has many outstanding debts. His exact assets and debts are not known because he has refused to release tax records.

The scant information available comes from a disclosure filing Trump made in May to the Office of Government Ethics. So while relatively few details are known, this much is obvious: Trump the businessman has many financial interests that would come into direct conflict with Trump the president.

The conflicts are far too numerous to list here, but two examples provide a glimpse into how serious the problem is. The first involves the Philippines, where Trump licenses his name to Trump Tower at Century City, a huge project involving residential, commercial and retail space. His business partner there is Jose E.B. Antonio.

After Trump won the election, the Philippines named Antonio as a special envoy to the United States. So in the future, Trump will face a question when he sits down with Antonio to discuss U.S. foreign policy in Southeast Asia: Is he acting in the best interests of all Americans — or in the best interests of Trump Tower's profits?

Trump's Loans From Troubled German Bank Pose Conflict Of Interest
Here's the second example, this one involving debt. Trump's disclosure form and other documents show he owes roughly $364 million to Deutsche Bank, headquartered in Frankfurt, Germany. But the U.S. Department of Justice is pursuing an immense fine — around $14 billion — from Deutsche Bank for its role in the 2008 financial crisis. If the Trump administration were to back off from demanding such a huge fine, would it be because that's the right policy for this country, or because Trump wants to curry favor with his German lender?

As long as Trump is both president of the country and father of the men running the Trump Organization, questions constantly will arise about his motives.

Such examples are entirely hypothetical. But if in the future, Congress were to discover that Trump took actions equivalent to accepting foreign bribes, then lawmakers could turn to another part of the U.S. Constitution: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors."

I remember that the BBC was reporting polls in the run up to the US election that said Trump had about a 10% chance of winning. I can't remember msm saying he wouldn't win, just that it was more likely to be Hillary.
That's the way probability works - predict an event has a 90% chance of occurring, and you're not "wrong" if it doesn't occur.
In fact a lot of people (myself included) were very worried in the run up to the election - if we were certain of the result we wouldn't have been.

How can you claim that Trump will end corruption given what Deepan and Roussette have posted Claig?

'Do you think economic crisis combined with extreme political instability in Europe is a good thing then Claig? '

Of course not, but we already have an economic crisis and extreme political instability. Greece needs anothr bailout, Italy's Prime Minister has gone and Italy's banks are near the edge, Deutsche Bank is in trouble according to some analysts, France may be about to vote for Le Pen, Eastern Europe does not agree with Soros and Hillary about immigration. Change is coming because "the people" have had enough of their useless political classes.

There is no use putting your fingers in your ears and wishing Gordon Brown and Hilary were in charge and the world would do a kumbaya about climate change. It's over, the nonsense has ended which is why Trump is in charge in America and now everything is about to change, and people will all get their own sovreignty and self-determination back across Europe and that is a good thing because it means that no stupid political elite can ruin the lives of hundreds of millions of Europeans centrally any more.

Found this handy site:
corrupt.af/

I can't remember msm saying he wouldn't win, just that it was more likely to be Hillary

I remember all the talking heads on various TV channels all saying the same thing - Hilllllary would win. Trump would capture one or two states, but HC will be the next president.

Claig said Why don't you give your patronising, snidey attitude a day off?

I second that.

'How can you claim that Trump will end corruption given what Deepan and Roussette have posted Claig?'

I don't claim he will end corruption. I don't care if he does or not. I like Trump and am happy with what he does. What I care about is that Trump will change the whole world, will bring back common sesne, end political correctness, allow Europe to regain its national sovereignties, bring jobs back to America, end the free trade deals of the globalists and ther plans to destroy the national sovereignty of every nation in order to bring in global governance by "intellectuals yet idiots" whom the people never voted for. And the fact that Trump has the courage and morality not to back the Jihadis in Syria and to want to get on with Putin is another plus as that will bring peace for all of Europe and the world.

If one of his appointees makes a few million in some deal doesn't bother me, because Trump will change the world for the better.

"There is no use putting your fingers in your ears" I know. That's why I try to challenge lies and disinformation when I see it posted on a parenting website by posters who seem to have joined for the sole reason of spreading propaganda (not necessarily you Claig, but there are some pro-Trumpers on here who fit that description).

Many of "the people" are going to suffer horribly if your sham-revolution spreads. Many of "the people" will suffer horribly if the EU disintegrates within 2 years, particularly if it's demise is precipitated by the whims of a foreign leader (which is what you suggest), rather than being chosen by "the people".

"One of the many unedifying things about the Trump camp is their total gracelessness in victory."

Yes. Billionaires whose only motivation is the consolidation of wealth and power, harnessing the resentment of the damaged and the gullible.

"If one of his appointees makes a few million in some deal doesn't bother me, because Trump will change the world for the better"

....But history shows that the most corrupt regimes generally change things for the worse.

So who cares if we're all fucked, as long as political correctness is finished and people can go back to using racial and homophobic slurs as much as they like?

All the "experts" said Trump could not win the election, no mainstream media journalists predicted he would win. My prediction is that Trump wants to end the EU

All I heard were predictions that HC would win. Is the EU really required? Surely there could be an agreement with all current member countries that there would be zero tariff and import charges (for one) without having to be part of this death embrace that is the EU?

The answer is Yes, but the EU is a highly political entity with its own ideology and goals, and simple trade is the last thing on its mind.

' see it posted on a parenting website by posters who seem to have joined for the sole reason of spreading propaganda'

You seem to have a problem with Chris. Chris doesn't spread propaganda, Chris knows more about politics than you, Chris was right about Trump, and Southallgirl knows more than you and was right about Trump and Cologne and immigration etc. Southall joined when Cologne happened because she was pissed about that. I don't know when Chris joined, but she is interested in Trump and Europe and the banks in Europe and the Italian election and the French election and new people join these boards everyday in order to discuss everything from politics to prams. Just because some of them think differently to you and know more about politics than you, doesn't mean it is "spreading propaganda" or "fake news". The whole world is changing, the BBC is panicked, they discuss the "revolution" most nights, and posters want to discuss the idiots in charge and why it has come to this and how Trump will make it better.

I never mentioned Chris in that post Claig. Why did you think I was talking about Chris?

squishy That website is horrifying. This is why there is no getting away from the fact that a businessman operating in countries all over the globe should not be POTUS because of the conflict of interests. So he makes a stab of divesting himself of interests by handing it all over to his children - same family, same interests.

I'm bookmarking that site. Because as much as claig who is brainwashed and won't hear one word aginst the Trump, not one word, even when it's blatant that he makes catastrophic mistakes... well those who are not supporters won't give up either. And maybe in 4 years time, or less, we'll be the ones doing the crowing and banging on about salt.

Going back to the inaugaration and lack of artistes to perform ...
"A second insider said he was offered a government post, including an ambassadorship, if he could wrangle a top artist. The insider, a talent manager, said he knew at least two other people who have been offered similar deals, but who did not wish to speak to the news media"

Slurs are a tiny part of political correctness - that has more to do with being courteous to everyone. Political correctness is all about hiding the truth, making people anxious about speaking up and then when they do, having them howled down and threatened.

Southallgirl- I am still waiting for you to tell me what it is that I want to say that I can't because of political correctness.

"making people anxious about speaking up and then when they do, having them howled down and threatened"

Like when powerful, influential men attack ordinary members of the public and union leaders on twitter (because they spoke up), in full knowledge of the death and rape threats that will follow?

If you think my post was patronising (when in fact was written out of concern), but don't think saying "you don't seem to understand that" is patronising or snidey, then you need to learn what patronising means.

Trump only needs to accept a pen from a foreign government to break the law. How he'll keep his businesses and be President, I really don't know. And apparently neither does him.

'if it's demise is precipitated by the whims of a foreign leader (which is what you suggest), rather than being chosen by "the people".'

The people all across Europe want to be free, they want free speech and an end to political correctness and don't want to accept limitless immigration because their political leaders say that nothing can be done to stop it. So there will be change because the puppet politicians will lose elections.

The difference with Trump is that he agrees with the European people and not with their puppet politicians who all agree with Soros and Hillary, so Trump won't help the political puppets but will instead help the Euriopean people by withdrawing support from the puppets who unanimously insulted him and called him "unfit" and some of whom even tried to ban him.

That is why Trump humiliated teh entire UK and EU political class by meeting and being photographed with Farage. He sent a message to teh puppets that it is all over and he won't be helping them any more. Now the puppets are on their own against the people in elections across Europe and their political correctness won't be able to save them because Trump agreees with the people and not the puppets.

'But history shows that the most corrupt regimes generally change things for the worse.'

But this is Trump, he already is a billionaire, he isn't an Oxbridge graduate who never had a real job and who was promoted by the elites in order to serve them and wanted to get some money for himself by sucking up to the banks and doing their bidding.

Trump is in charge, they don't own him, they can't buy him, that is why they fear him when he says he will get on with Putin and Fuck You to them, and when he says he will pull out of the Paris Climate deal and Fuck You to them, and when he will tear up the puppets' free trade deals and Fuck You to them

Trump is going to go down in history. he is not a "career politician" like the puppets. Trump is the real deal and the whole world will now change for the better.