Angela Eagle's broken "office window" is actually on the communal hallway...

[LowDudgeon]

So they stuck a Labour poster over it to make it look like hers

All the images used were taken from an angle that didn't show the staircase.

They just keep getting caught out, don't they. John McDonnell's comment might have been inappropriate but he wasn't wrong

Corbyn is welcoming each of the 172 back into the fold and calling for unity and an end to their sniping.

If he behaved with more professionalism - and less like the Messiah-in-Waiting - maybe he'd have more success with his media image.

And of course he's going to try and get the MPs back on side, he's stuffed without them. He's left with dodgy McDonnell and the excruciatingly irritating Abbott - not a good and voter-friendly place to be.

JC has been a dissident MP his entire life. Why does he think MPs are going to behave any differently from how he has for his whole career? He's getting a tase of his own medicine and he doesn't like it, boo hoo.

Any again, his popularity with members doesn't equate to popularity with voters who far outnumber members and are thus considerably more important. Not that they or JC want to hear that.

I'm guessing the purpose of this thread is to disseminate an excuse - it doesn't have to be strong, just 'present' - to allow the pro-Corbynites to turn a blind eye.

We saw that strategy used by the Kipperati.

It's effective.

Quite, RiverTam. Members come before anyone else though, don't forget. Appealing to the masses would be far too distasteful.

Deeply unpopular opinion, but Blair did get one thing right at least. How to get a party into power after, what was it, 18 years? Without power, it's all just wind.

I also love the way the media is biased just because someone doesn't agree with what is being said. Doesn't stop it being true. Whatever, it does look from an outside perspective that there is something deeply unpleasant about a proportion of Corbyn supporters. Apparently it's only democracy if it's their sort of democracy.

Labour have no chance of victory with Jezza and his cronies in charge. I'm lifelong Labour but I won't vote Labour again until he's gone. He gives me the creeps, frankly, as do those around him.

And the activities of Momentum are very like Militant of the 1970s. Bullying and intimidation happening at a local level, so I guess it's the same all over.

This ludicrous conspiracy-theorising perfectly illustrates why the Labour Party is doomed (and I say this as a party member). Corbyn has allowed this conspiracist mentality to flourish. It is utterly ludicrous to suggest that Angela Eagle, a decent, hard-working MP, would fabricate threats against her.

Ah, right, Corbynites are all lovely.

Well forgive me but when I have seen an MP intimidated by Momemtum supporters at a CLP meeting, when I have seen the vile, vile messages on Angela Eagle's facebook page and when I have been called Blairite Scum, a troll and had my intelligence level mocked for believing stories and statistics in what now seems to be called the MSM as opposed to some tinfoil hat blog, I really do beg to differ.

Angela Eagle - I believe you.

I believe her as well. I also believe Seema Malhotra.

Momentum are just rehashing what Militant did. Misogynists and bullies.

You believe what? That Angela Eagle has had vile messages on social media? I didn't say she hasn't.

But it's indisputable that the brick didn't go through her office window, the Luton meeting wasn't cancelled due to threats against her, she wasn't subject to homophobic abuse at a local CLP meeting as claimed by Tessa Jowell, & the local police didn't tell her to cancel surgeries.

Do we know she wasn't abused at the CLP meeting? And yes, the police didn't tell her to cancel her surgeries but they certainly did advise it - is there really much difference when you have received death threats and are also worried for the safety of your staff? It is rather coincidental that there was an attack on her office building as well just after she announced that she would challenge Corbyn. A little too coincidental really. I don't see any reason to doubt her and if anyone has actual evidence that she is lying they should contact the police.

2 of the CLP officials have gay children & one of them got married the day after the meeting (which AE wasn't even present at)

Coincidences obviously only work one way in this context...her actual office window, complete with Labour Party sticker, was literally round the corner from the window that was broken (which was unlabelled, & on a public footpath, & in a building that has 5 other offices)

I keep being told, in the context of these political shenanigans, "if you have any evidence go to the police". You do realise how ridiculous that sounds? Even Peter Hitchens is on to the window thing now!

Peter Hitchens? Well, he's such an impartial observer, isn't he?

You do realise that in the early 1930s, in Germany, the socialist party and the communist party spent all their energy fighting each other, instead of addressing the rise of the far right?

We currently have a Tory party that has suddenly lurched to the right, and Arron Banks looking to start a new party, because UKIP isn't far enough to the right for him, and the Labour Party is too busy fighting amongst themselves to do anything about it.

Corbyn may be a good man with high ideals, but he is not a political leader. He is not undertaking the duties necessary to be an effective leader of the opposition. He is allowing the House of Lords to undertake the work of the opposition, and is claiming credit for it.

His goal appears to be to remain the leader of the Labour Party, and the fact that that means he is also leader of the opposition seems to be incidental to that.

He is not popular amongst the electorate, and he is not competent to run an opposition to the government. He does not effectively communicate with his shadow cabinet to allow them to do their jobs. He needs to stop clinging to leadership. The people he says he wants to help will not be helped by Theresa Mays government being given their head to effect any changes they like, unopposed.

Do you also deny that currently no Labour constituency branches are allowed to meet due to the issues around intimidation. They are not allowed to meet. What a brilliant job he is doing.

I want a Labour government next time. Corbyn and his acolytes seem hell bent on making sure that doesn't happen.

Also. That momentum are trying to get Alan Johnson deselected. Alan Johnson. You know the man who was raised by a single mother, worked as a postman, union official - decent solid Labour. So angry with this student politics which is handing power to the conservatives for the next 100 years.

Momentum=Militant for those who remember the 70s.

Same people, different name.

Pretty sure it's not the same people Unexpected - most of Momentum wouldn't even have been born back in Militant's day!

I also love the way the media is biased just because someone doesn't agree with what is being said.

tilder there was actually an independent study conducted by the London School of Economics and Science showing strong media bias against Corbyn. You can read it here It has actually been (quietly) reported in the mainstream media since.

The London School of Economics and POLITICAL Science, my apologies.

News flash. British media biased against the left. Is that a surprise to Corbyn. If he can't handle a right wing media, he is not fit to run the Labour party.

I've been on MN for years. Stalwart Labour supporter, with a (regretted) Lib Dem toe-in-the-water after Iraq.

This thread, started by you, OP, has just made me realise why I can't ever back Corbyn.

Sanity and birds have said so much so well. Listen.

News flash. British media biased against the left.

birds that's hardly in context with the reply I was making to a comment saying people only say the media is biased about Corbyn because they don't agree with it. But you know that. And that study isn't about the usual bias of right-wing media, is about bias above and beyond what would be sustainable for a functioning democracy. But you make of it whatever you like if you don't want to read it.

Note: I'm not defending anything specific on this thread, just making that one point about media objectivity on the back of that comment because I knew it to be invalid.

Whether or not there is bias against Corbyn, if he can't even get the Guardian and the Mirror to support him, Labour needs a different leader.

When he was elected, many people were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt - none of the other candidates looked electable and atleast he appeared to stick to his principles.

However, the longer he has been leader, the less clear those 'principles' seem. He is anti trident and was against the Iraq war, but his opinions on the IRA and Israel seem to be ones that can only be shared by people who enjoy the luxury of not having to engage in any practical peace process.

JC is an easy target, but if he is an easy target it is because many of the negative things said about him are true.

Why choose an easy target to be leader of the opposition, never mind PM?

Momentum=Militant for those who remember the 70s

You would have to be 50+ to remember the 70's and early 80's as anything other than a child.

Lack of memory of militant is probably playing in JC's favour

(MPs have an average age of 50 and are probably more inclined to remember).