AIBU to expect a bit more positivity about the referendum result?

[Stanleysmum01]

OK here it it is, I voted Leave, truly believed in it, didn't think it would actually happen mind you I even placed a bet on ladbrokes thinking Remain would get it. I got up at 4am to watch the results and was so surprised at the way it was going but was full of national pride and ecstatic.

But what is really getting my goat is the plethora of experts coming on explaining away the results, about the poor and uneducated not listening to the experts who know better.

Sorry but I might be poor but I'm not uneducated, I made my decision by surprisingly not looking at the immigration issue to me thats the elephant in the room regardless of the result. I looked at the stats, the EU didn't save firstly our coal, steel or car industry, manufacturing is disappearing. Fishermen have no rights, farming is a mess there's a massive rich / poor divide. Peace in our time has not been achieved have we forgotten the genocide in Yugoslavia (that wasn't that long ago) and the impotency of Europe to have stopped it or whats happening in Ukraine?

Anyway its happened be excited for our future, its going to be a 2 year exit plan and you know a lot might not change, all those EU residents who live here and vice versa well you know if we want to live in Spain and you want to live here whats wrong with applying for citizenship like anyone else outside the EU? Yes our passports might change and we have to go through the 'Others' section so what. Obama said we're still going to be friends, the bank of England said its already put billions aside. Universities and business's who apply to the EU for money will just have to ask the government instead we will of saved it. So politicians the revolution has happened your MEP job and extra income won't exist get over it, we sussed you out with the expenses scandal. The little man has spoken, brush you self down get over it and be excited not pessimistic for our future we've survived the last recession and much worse.

By the way I'm in my 40's a stay at home mum with a child with SEN who lives in a small rural community and the only person who asked my opinion was the UKIP man who came twice in the lead up even out of his usual jurisdiction. So call it anti establishment whatever you will but be pleased British inner rebel won over in the end.

The Nhs has been screwed by successive Tory govts OP, not by the EU. Screwed by the very people you've just handed 'control' to. the very people who have been vocal and open about their desire to privatise the nhs quick as you like. Agency fees, equally, have sweet fa to do with the EU.

You are clueless. Absolutely bloody clueless. You have no bloody idea what you've done. A rebel? Do me a favour. Johnson, Gove and Farage couldn't give two shits about the likes of you and your dc, and you've just whipped away the nearest thing you had to a safety net.

I would feel sorry for you but, like a pp said, my heart's got a lot harder in the last 24 hours.

This money we'll have saved. About £350 billion of value was wiped off British markets yesterday. That's more than the UK has paid into the EU during its entire 43 year membership.

Totally agree saffy I am going to find it hard to feel sympathetic when people have acted like turkeys voting for Christmas.

when the poorest have swallowed the "blame the immigrants" narrative put out by a bunch of right wingers who would gladly tear down the welfare state piece by piece

And quite schnitzel and no on can say they weren't warned that would happen. Many of us warned many times but we're just accused of "scaremongering"

Your beliefs are so fucked up you deserve everything you get.

The millions of people whose lives you've helped ruin don't though.

You can't punctuate and you're a gullible fool if you think you can just ask the government for money. So, I'm afraid....you DO come across as remarkably uneducated.

Like many Leave voters.

But anyway, congratulations!!

REMAINERS - Read this

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/london-separate-city-state-leave-voters-class

Woop woop

Will that do?

Stop moaning about the fact that you won, what do you expect the people who are devastated by the results to do, throw a fucking street party.

OhTheRoses
My feelings entirely.

Asprilla11 I agree entirely I lived in London for 9 years so know where you're coming from.

Op I voted remain but I do not support all the forecasters of doom and damnation.
Simply put there was always a 50 percent chance of Brexit. The government would not have allowed a vote if it would mean the end of Britain as a super power.

Nonsense iniquity
Farage may have dreamt of a "leave" win but until 6 months ago --when he thought it might enhance his career" Boris was vehemently anti- leave because he said it was far too risky

Anyway don't know why we are blaming the poor. One bullingdon boy agreed to the referendum the other pushed for us to vote leave.
Strikes me as its the rich that get the pleasure and poor wot get the blame.

IT is far too early to show any positivity yet. It is like a bad dream where you hope to wake up to normality. I don't know how people could do this for their children and grandchildren.

The only positive thing that might eventually happen, and it's a very big might, is that Northern Ireland might choose to join the Republic in a unitem Ireland, which as an Irish person, would be a dream come true. Very unlikely, but it would be amazing to have our country whole.

I'm not blaming the poor, I'm just sad for the poor. Sad they were lied to. Sad they fell for the lies. Sad thy had to watch Farage admit they were all lies a matter of hours after the vote was announced. Sad that they will likely be the ones that suffer most in the new darker future. Sad that we are back in a time when the poor are being encouraged to look to the "other" (immigrants now, Jews in 1930s Germany) as a scapegoat for all their suffering.

I think the professional classes (of which I am one) are going to have to accept that this is also a vote against people like us. We sit there in our nice offices being paid far too much, enjoying all the benefits of the EU and none of the disadvantages. The people in Boston in Lincolnshire are seeing all the disadvantages and are pissed off, and they voted against people like us - who thought the economy was going well and we were alright Jack.

I say this as a remain voter who thinks this is a catastrophe, but it's occurred to me today that people like me are really not liked. And I suppose I am going to have accept that.

But they are sadly the ones who are most likely to suffer now .

"I already knew about Article 50 before I voted"

So you knew that in those two years the EU doesn't actually have to give us anything in those negotiations, have no real reason to do anything favourable to us, plenty of reasons to deal pretty harshly with us and that at the end of those two years they can give us nothing and make us leave just like that if they want to, but voted for that anyway?

Why?

Quite tabula

Darcey, I totally agree. I dont know anybody who voted Leave, it's all very affluent where I am....this is probably why I'm so shocked and has also made me realise that we're a very split country, and what the hell do I understand about other people's struggles?

I don't take it personally. I might if I were a forriner. I'd leave actually.

Cremeeggthief (sorry for the digression everyone)

Are you living in Ireland at the moment? There is very little interest in a United Ireland. Even in the year commemorating 1916 Sinn Fein can't increase their share of the vote from the mid teens. None of the other parties are interested.

After the 2008 crash Irish people have a fairly good understanding of macro economics. There is no way on earth they would take on the massive financial albatross of the North through a referendum. There only choice is to go it alone like Scotland.

Their not there

From what I read, Article 50 is just stuff like negotiating the pension divorce and what our final payment is, and to make sure EU doesn't give us any more grant funds, and whether they can claw any grant funds back that were pledged beyond 2018. We can't even start trade negotiations until after the 2 yrs have expired.

I already asked, though, moving on, is there really no way for UK to still have current access to free movement of goods & capital without free movement of people & labour?