Well done George Osborne - stonking budget

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Tax free Allowance rising to £11000
40% tax threshold rising to £43000
Corporation Tax falling to 19% and then 18%
National Living Wage will reach £9 by 2020, will start at £7.20

If they carry on like this, Labour are finished and poor old UKIP and Farage won't stand a chance of getting a look in. But credit where credit is due - well done Osborne!

STINKING rather than Stonking Osborne budget, Bashing the poor by devious means.

And Georgies family made their dosh out of posh wallpaper. He cannot paper over the cracks in his mean minded Budget.

Assuming that the Tories really believed that increasung minimum wages would reduce the need for TC, then the way to do it is to increase wages and leave TC as they are. The reduction in TC paid by government would come from claimants wages rising to the point where they were no longer eligible for TC. That is what would happen if it were true that raising wages would alleviate the need for subsidy.

As for people always claiming they don't want to pay for someone else. National insurance is an insurance policy. You pay in you get out. Why do people always claim pensioners have worked hard all their lives to pay for their pension, yet working parents or the sick, disabled or the currently un or underemployed have not?

Most adults have a working life of at least 48 years give or take. Some may spend up to ~18- 25 years (less time than many current pensioners will claim pensions for) of that receiving some payback from the insurance scheme they pay into towards the cost of having children.

So why are pensioners seen as having worked hard to pay for themselves and working parents seen as living off others?

It isn't your tax that pays for my tax credits it is my previous, current and future contributions. If this isn't the case then my tax is paying for other people's pensions. Cannot have it both ways.

The only reason that pensioners are protected is that they vote. It isn't because they are morally better than everyone else.

I have nothing against pensioners btw I just resent the arbitrary classification of one group of welfare recipients as deserving and another as scroungers when almost all of them have been paying into the same system. (And before anyone says ah but some people never work and claim benefits, there are probably some people of retirement age who never/rarely worked yet who still receive benefits as if they had. In both cases they are the minority not the norm and in either case it is unlikely to have been entirely through choice).

Thousands of children already born in families larger than 2dc will be affected if a new claim for TC/UC is made after April 2017.

THE BUDGET: A PUNCH DRESSED UP AS A KISS

Those of us misfortunate enough to watch the budget live had to endure waves of sycophantic roaring and grumbling. Conservative members pirouetting on the announcement of cuts to tax credits and cuts to corporation tax. Iain Duncan Smith could be seen in the corner tripping on a psychoactive substance, soon to be illegal.

George Osborne to form also came out with a series of untruths so familiar in political discourse that they are barely worth mentioning; up is down, black is white, ‘supporting hardworking people’ is ‘supporting hardworking people into a life of wretched poverty.’

There is no other way than to see this budget other than a perverted inversion of Robin Hood. A wave of cuts and freezes – which amount to more cuts after inflation – mean that scores of Osborne’s beloved ‘hardworking people’ will be indeed working hard, but earning even more poverty for their work than they did before.

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It's truly a budget by cunts, for cunts.

The Economist has described the budget as "politically astute, Economically flawed"

I strongly suspect that by next May when it really starts to bite, the Tories will take a drubbing in any planned elections.

I'm not wishing anyone dead...merely pointing out that the grey core vote that the Tories rely on won't be there forever.

According to Steve Keen, and others, the Gidiot's budget is relying on us to borrow even more in order to live whilst giving him a surplus. Well, good luck with that Giddy, when the poorest can no longer get credit there will be riots, so I hope your army is ready to shoot its own citizens you fucking freeloading coke fiend.

blacksunday - thankyou for adding to the debate in such a constructive way, that by arguing your case, you are likely to win over people to your side of the argument - or at least appreciate it....Not

It's obscene that they up the tax free inheritance to 1 million and at the same time take hundreds of pounds and thousands in some cases, from struggling families with children.

I always vote for the liberal democrats and I wish they were still in govt to stop these disgusting changes.

dreaming-

blacksunday - thankyou for adding to the debate in such a constructive way, that by arguing your case, you are likely to win over people to your side of the argument - or at least appreciate it....Not

I really don't care anymore. Anybody who could vote for such utter psychopaths is not worth winning over.

I'm afraid Baddz is right - the grey vote won't last forever.

A minority of the public voted for the Tories, and thanks to our screwed electoral FPTP system, combined with political circumstances (SNP taking votes from Labour, people being scared of devolution, the collapse of the Libdems, Greens taking votes from Labour) means that they managed to get a majority.

Unfortunately, this means they're going to force their 19th Century ideology on to everybody else: the majority of the working public will be utterly screwed and the state will be transformed in to something akin to the US model.

But pensioners - the only voters who matter, apparently - will have their pensions protected. Shame about the young, the ill, the disabled, the poor, the unemployed, and anyone who wasn't born in to a life of privilege.

Seriously, fuck them. I'd be surprised if, by the end of this Parliament, there aren't riots in the streets worse than the poll tax riots. And if there aren't, there should be. Lives are being destroyed, as is the future of the country for the greed of the few.

Crimson-

If I pay in I want something back and if that makes me the devil incarnate then so be it.

You are getting something back. You're just too short-sighted to realise it.

You're getting (or you would get - although this is all under threat...) the NHS, a decent police, fire, and ambulance service, waste management, an educated, literate population (yes, yes, I know... but it could be a lot worse), public order (riots are still relatively rare... watch this space) and reduced crime rates because fewer people are so desperate they need to steal.

Look, I'm set to benefit from this budget. I'm single, working, and relatively well paid. I don't claim any tax credits or any other social security. I occasionally use the NHS. Still, it's a nasty nasty budget and I don't want to live in a society which treats people this way. There will be many more lives ruined because of these measures.

And why? The rich aren't rich enough? Corporations don't have enough tax breaks? What for?

blacksunday, I think your posts are very thought provoking. I do believe this budget, and the initial reporting of it, were a disgrace.

It's just a bit tedious isn't it. It's all blah blah blah from behind a computer screen.

If you don't like it, if you think you don't want to live in a society who treats people badly with a budget like this and if you really want to make a difference then get off your backside and protest for change. It's easy to be vocal sat behind a computer screen.

It's a democracy. Do what the French and Greeks do - stand up and make a difference.

I can promise you this, preaching at me won't make a difference to your alleged cause or make better your sense of injustice.

If those of you who really feel strongly about the budget destroying lives and leaving people destitute then act. Otherwise it really is what I said above blah blah blah.

My post was a general response to Blacksunday.

A minority of the public voted for the Tories, and thanks to our screwed electoral FPTP system, combined with political circumstances (SNP taking votes from Labour, people being scared of devolution, the collapse of the Libdems, Greens taking votes from Labour) means that they managed to get a majority.

But you wouldn't be moaning if that "screwed" electoral FPTP system had gotten your bunch of idiots back in would you?

It's just another bit of lefty "waa, waa, don't wanna play" isn't it?

Maybe, just maybe, people voted for what they wanted and what suited them for once? There were no secrets about what was going to be on the cards, and given Labours "anti campaign" it was pretty clear that they didn't fancy being the party to put their name at the top of the bill.......

If I were you dear, I'd buckle up & shut up - you can have your say in 5 years time.

Until then, Shhhhh, you're beginning to drone.....

Sorry but plenty of people have been campaigning for voting change for a very long time. I'm sorry you feel it's aimed at the tories but it really isn't. They just make good target practice.

Democracy is a continuous thing, not just once every five years so I'm afraid you're going to have to just put up with people voicing their opinions about shady goings on...or stick your fingers in your ears. I don't care which

No one cared about vote change when the Conservative's, due to dodgy electoral boundaries, had over a 20-seat disadvantage to Labour.

It takes a special kind of incompetence for Labour to take probably the best economic legacy in a century and turn it into such an unbalanced basket case.

No party from 2010 put a coherent economic/financial manifesto together to reduce our annual budget deficit, reflate businesses/consumer confidence and produce a plan for sustainable economic growth OTHER than the Conservatives (in or out of coalition) - in fact, all apart from the Conservatives would still be INCREASING the National Debt past 2020, when approaching £2,000,000,000,000 (£2 trillion), leaving for our grandchildren to pay off.

So as the Greeks have found, dumb-shit democracy with the blind leading the blind offering painless solutions to excessive, don't pay the bills and makes matters worse.

For decades, most Budgets might be NET a few £billion tighter or looser, but that was BEFORE Labour left the Conservative an annual £153 billion annual budget deficit (government overspend), with NO plans in place to reduce it OTHER than put up taxes i.e. National Insurance (they knew would COST jobs) and Fuel Duty.

A UK coalition of economically illiterate political parties being elected in 2010 or 2015 would have been a disaster for the UK, as IF there WERE quick fixes, the Eurozone (that had no where near a £153 billion annual overspend) wouldn't have less than ONE THIRD of our economic growth by 2014 and twice our unemployment rate - so on balance, rebalancing Labour's incompetence, Osbornes doing something right.

iknow you can always hide the thread.

I remain convinced that the budget is a step in the right direction.

I'd be interested to know if there were active protests against the budget how many people would turn up. Enough to make a difference?

A minority may have voted the Conservatives in but I would be surprised if a majority turned up banging loudly on Parliament's door complaining about their handling of the economy and the latest budget. Happy to be proved wrong though.

The reality may be however that the majority do agree in the main with the budget.

Excellent posts BlackSunday

Budget: Chancellor’s WRAG decision is ‘misguided’ and ‘cruel’

Disabled people and their organisations have branded this week’s budget misguided and cruel, and say it will drag many more disabled people into poverty.

Their chief target was the chancellor’s decision to remove – from April 2017 – the extra financial support given to new claimants in the work-related activity group (WRAG) of employment and support allowance (ESA), the out-of-work disability benefit.

But there were also warnings of the impact on disabled people of freezing until 2020 most working-age benefits, although not disability living allowance (DLA) or personal independence payment (PIP).

Another concern was over cutting the benefit cap from £26,000 to £20,000 a year for those outside London, and to £23,000 for those in the capital, although this again will not apply to those claiming PIP or DLA.

Liz Sayce, chief executive of Disability Rights UK, said: “Today’s announcements offered disappointment, not practical support, and will leave swathes of disabled people worse off.”

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/budget-chancellors-wrag-decision-is-misguided-and-cruel/