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Mr Moderniser is back

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claig · 18/05/2015 23:48

Steve Hilton is back in town. He's got a new book outcalled "More Human". It's radical, it's blue-sky thinking, it's progressive, it's modernising, it's positively Cameroonian.

He does make some good points and does tap into an understanding of our elites. It is good that he does think outside of the box. He has analysed our elite ruling class well and its effect on our democracy, but does he have the correct solutions? Will it be modernising nanny state where PPEs control the minimum price of our alcohol or will it be freedom?

The article below doesn't mention that the cosy elite who rule us are Oxbridge and often PPE, but maybe the book does that. He is of course Oxford PPE himself.

"We're ruled by a cosy elite who all go to the same dinner parties, says former No10 policy guru chief Steve Hilton
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'It is a democracy in name only, operating on behalf of a tiny elite no matter the electoral outcome. I know because I was part of it.’

Mr Hilton has now called for reform. He added: ‘While there is no conspiracy ... the assumptions, the structures, the rules that govern our lives are not subject to anything as unpredictable as the will of the people. No wonder voters feel that others’ voices are being heard more than their own. It’s because it’s true.’

He added: ‘From the rise of the Tea Party and Occupy movements to the protest parties in Europe, Ukip and the nearly successful vote for Scottish independence, it’s clear that our political systems – in the UK, America and continental Europe – are not translating people’s wishes into action.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3085342/Stop-listening-insular-ruling-elite-help-poor-Cameron-s-ex-guru-Steve-Hilton-warns-Tory-PM.html

He wants a living wage and like all progressive, he wants a mayor in every city. If his ideas are adopted, then Labour will have nothing left, because he is more progressive than them.

Te Tories may adopt modernisation-a-go-go and progressive policies like never seen before - nanny state, charidees, rooftop wind turbine grants for every home, third sector, fourth sector, fifth sector, it may never end.

No wonder the Tories want Farage to stop telling the truth and want to tame him down, they know that UKIP is the only common sense, non-modernising party left. We are in for 5 years of fun where UKIP has the modernisers on the run.

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claig · 20/05/2015 10:30

However, it's not a done deal, it's not over yet, the game is still on. The entire nation awaits the verdict of the sage of the age - the man with a fag and a pint.

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JennyOnTheBlocks · 20/05/2015 11:21

Hold onto your seat, it's going to be a bumpy ride. Steve Hilton is back in town and he's grabbed the wheel.

we've just had the travelling fun fair in town - they said the same sort of thing Grin

Isitmebut · 20/05/2015 11:36

Claig ..... Soooooo many words bordering on old Soviet style propaganda, so little of any note said on the UKIP alternative offering that gathered 3.881 million General Election votes, versus “the elite progressives” within the three main parties that had 23.095 million votes between them.

So lets look at the UKIP one-man-band, who lied he would resign to get votes one moment, then like a 1930’s German or Italian dictator, ruthlessly purges those he doesn’t think loyal to him the next – and the three plotters lucky we are in ‘progressive’ times, or might never have been seen again, having been tossed into a river wearing cement overshoes - by those with unswerving support for their ‘Great Leader’, wearing black shirts.

”Suzanne Evans 'to be replaced by Mark Reckless' in Nigel Farage's purge of the Ukip plotters”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11616240/Suzanne-Evans-to-be-replaced-by-Mark-Reckless-in-Nigel-Farages-purge-of-the-Ukip-plotters.html

”Suzanne Evans, the deputy chairman of the UK Independence Party, is set to be replaced by former Tory MP Mark Reckless as part of Nigel Farage’s purge of alleged plotters.”

”Ukip confirmed that Miss Evans, who wrote the party’s election manifesto, has lost her paid policy development brief as Mr Farage imposes his will on the party. She will remain in the unpaid role of deputy chairman.”

”On Tuesday night Miss Evans denied she had been involved in any plot to undermine Mr Farage at Ukip. She said: "I strongly refute any allegation I was involved in any kind of plot."

”The news comes after Patrick O'Flynn quit as Ukip's economics spokesman and personally apologised to the Ukip leader for calling him “snarling, thin skinned and aggressive”.”

”The pair – along with Ukip’s sole MP Douglas Carswell – were implicated in an apparent coup plot against Mr Farage’s leadership last week after he quit and then was reappointed as leader.”

The UKIP ‘generals’ anti Farage version of the plot to rid Germany of their dictator Hilter (called Operation Valkyrie) was led by their only surviving general who won a battle in Westminster, their manifesto propaganda general and their communications & economics to the masses general.

Now purged and ensuring that the ruthless dictator Farage is devoid of any talent that might one day lead or share power with him.

So obsessed by getting into Westminster at the 8th attempt of trying, while being paid handsomely to do so, is free to do so - but wondering how an EU one-trick-pony party if comes out of the EU and no longer needs MEPs, might pay his salary until 2020 and the next Westminster elections – when Herr Farage will be even less relevant than today.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11231687/Nigel-Farage-is-desperate-for-Ukip-to-join-the-cosy-Westminster-clique.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-calls-for-mp-pay-rise-to-100000--just-weeks-before-announcing-where-he-will-stand-in-2015-9593756.html

fortyfide · 20/05/2015 12:07

Stevie Hylton gives rather confusing tv interviews. He even thinks Cameron is compassionate And hints that he might stand as an Independent in a future election

claig · 21/05/2015 06:41

Steve Hilton writing in today's Daily Mail. This is a lot better, a lot more Conservative and less progressive. Call Me Dave won't like this at all. This ain't modernising, this is old shool. This is revolutionary tinking, our politically correct progressive political class from Oxbridge are not going to like this one little bit. This is the sort of stuff that the writers at "The Conservative Woman" like and they don't like progressives, the BBC and Cameron much down there. They like Farage down there.

"Kathy Gyngell: Farage is a hero for our times. It will be a national tragedy if he loses"

conservativewoman.co.uk/kathy-gyngell-farage-is-a-hero-for-our-times-it-will-be-a-national-tragedy-if-he-loses/

Here is Steve Hilton

"Come on, Dave, it's time to stand up for marriage, writes the PM's close friend and former guru STEVE HILTON"
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The downgrading of marriage is also reflected in other parts of our civic life, such as the replacement of the terms ‘husband’ and ‘wife’ with ‘partner’ on official forms, the promotion of legal rights for unmarried couples or the comparative ease of divorce, highlighting the modern belief that marriage is really nothing more than a bit of paper.

Partly this is because the ruling elite too often accepts fashion-able orthodoxy as a means to an easier life, even if that received wisdom is causing profound damage to our society.
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To many people, the breakdown of marriage is often seen as a progressive trend, a sign that our country is throwing off the bonds of anachronistic patriarchy and embracing a new era of personal free choice. But this outlook represents dangerous wishful thinking.
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Because of officialdom’s terror of imposing judgments on anyone, our political class has lost sight of this essential truth.
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We have to be willing to stand up for what we know is right, both in everyday life, and in constructing a wider social fabric. We cannot simply give up and allow the moral relativists to prevail."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3090327/Come-Dave-s-time-stand-marriage-writes-PM-s-close-friend-former-guru-STEVE-HILTON.html

This is a slap in the face of the BBC and the modernisers. This is Conservatism. This challenges everything that what Hilton calls our "ruling elite" stand for.

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Isitmebut · 21/05/2015 09:50

Claig .. you seem to have a remarkable knack of not only blowing up ‘non stories’ out of all proportions, but not recognizing book promotions either – or is just trying to spread discontent still your/UKIPs chosen path between elections?

The Conservatives have always been pro marriage by methods on encouragement rather than frowning upon the rights of people to choose, so Cameron does not need Steve Hilton trying to sell a book to remind him – especially after his record in the last coalition parliament, of trying as best he can (against the widespread opposing Hilton mentions) to address a situation where the tax system could REWARD couples staying single.

September 2013; "David Cameron unveils marriage tax breaks plan"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24309634

Moreover Cameron took marriage to a new reformed level that you would call ‘modernizing’, which as you are clearly promoting Hilton’s ideas, you will agree with even if Mr Putin doesn’t.

January 2015; "David Cameron:Same-sex marriage was one of my proudest achievements in 2014"
www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/10/david-cameron-same-sex-marriage-was-one-of-my-proudest-achievements-in-2014/

claig · 21/05/2015 11:03

'you seem to have a remarkable knack of not only blowing up ‘non stories’ out of all proportions'

Are you kidding me? Mr Moderniser is back and you are sayng it is a non-story. Hilton is back in town and the whole country is shaking. Do you not understand how our progressive elite think in W1A land in Oxbridge circles? This is pivotal, Hilton is back!

Hilton has been called "David Cameron's brain". Some people cruelly said that Cameron didn't appear to have one, but they were wrong, he had Hilton!

"known today as "Cameron's Brain""

And then Hilton left and this is what reports said when he left

"Now, Dave faces life without a brain, ambling along in that happy, shiny way of his. If he is to avoid being buffeted along by the winds of fate, in some doomed triangulation of the competing voices of his ministers and coalition colleagues, he needs to find some new grey matter to stuff in his dome, and fast."

"Quango - David Cameron's Brain Has Gone Bye Bye"
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'New Labour. New Danger.' Bam. Labour bad. New Labour also bad. Scary eyes even worse. Bam again. What do you think?"

That Oasis-loving mastermind behind one of the most universally derided party political communiques in history was called Steve Hilton.

But his career didn't end with Johnny's catastrophic defeat in '97. He had already hitched his wagon to a jowly young Etonian he'd met while working on the first Major campaign. Also known today as "Cameron's Brain", Hilton's been the definitive Downing Street insider, aide-de-camp, theoriser and dreamweaver to Project Call Me Dave, and last week, he finally left Number 10.

The Big Society? He invented it. Huskies in the Arctic? His idea. Even Cameron standing for the Tory leadership in 2005 might not have happened had Hilton not pushed his old pal into it.
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he's a guru in the most guru sense – a fluent adland-speaker, who's always staring into the seven habits of blue-skies lateral-thinking while someone moves his cheeses"

www.vice.com/en_uk/read/quango-dave-cameron-brain-go-bye-bye

There are reports that said he was asked to delay launch of his book in case it had an effect on the election.

Hilton said he was receiving emails in California asking to help bring some good press for the Tories during the election campaign.

"While Cameron looked on fondly, Hilton proceeded to make a gentle dig at fellow strategist Lynton Crosby, joking about the number of emails he had received begging for him to help bring the Tories more positive election coverage. ‘I said look Dave you hired him. But seriously, Lynton did a great job,’ Hilton joshed."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2015/05/steve-hilton-talks-cameron-crosby-and-vincecablefreude-at-book-launch/

'We need 10,000 mayors' - an interview with Steve Hilton'
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The book is, perhaps, the closest we’re going to get to an agenda for David Cameron’s second term.
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Referring to Hilton as ‘David Cameron’s brain’ is unfair to both men, but contains an element of truth. The two have bounced ideas off each other for years, shaping their mutual understanding of politics. As Michael Gove once observed, ‘It is sometimes impossible to know where Steve ends and David begins.’ At the heart of Hilton’s politics is a belief that the new ideas coming out of California express an old conservative insight: that he who governs best governs least, and that the purpose of acquiring power is to give it away, from government to the people.'

www.spectator.co.uk/features/9534442/britain-needs-10000-new-mayors/

Hilton is back in town. This man moves mountains, not molehills.

I suggest you get the book and study every word. Every senior civil servant already has a copy, every PPE in public policy is studying it as we speak and no progressive is worthy of the name without having a least two copies.

This is the publishing sensaton of the year. There is only one book that comes close - "The Purple Revolution" by Nigel Farage.

If you want to keep up and know what is going on, i suggest you study both.

'you seem to have a remarkable knack of not only blowing up ‘non stories’ out of all proportions'

There are no proportions fit to do justice to this news. This is the most important political event of the year apart from Farage unresigning. Hilton is back in town!

Get the book and get a grip!

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claig · 21/05/2015 11:12

I think that the future of our 2-for-1s depends on what Hilton says in that book. Rest assured, I will be getting a copy and studying it closely because 2-for-1 is an issue that is close to my heart!

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Isitmebut · 21/05/2015 11:24

Claig .... re your "Hilton has been called "David Cameron's brain". - by who that matters with a brain of their own and can definitively show Hilton having left Downing Street, still has any influence on the government of this county????

If I was you, I'd worry more about UKIP having a total dick-tator in charge who said that he "would work with the devil" for power - and what policies UKIP comes up with.

claig · 21/05/2015 11:35

'who said that he "would work with the devil" for power'

He meant Labour and Conservative. It was a bit of a harsh statement, but people understood what he was getting at.

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Isitmebut · 21/05/2015 12:08

Claig ... nice one, but Farage is a power junkie and was quite specific which "devil" he was really behind, pretending there could be a scenario where Labour/Miliband would soooooo need UKIP's vote to govern - that UKIP could force Labour into an EU Referendum he didn't really want - the option is a calculating opportunist for votes or Walter Mitty, your choice.

“(Nov 2014) Nigel Farage:UKIP could do deal with Labour”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30029004

"UKIP could support a minority Labour government after the next general election, Nigel Farage has said."

"“Asked by the New Statesman if he could back Ed Miliband as prime minister, he said: "I'd do a deal with the Devil if he got me what I wanted."

“Farage backs Miliband for PM;UKIP wants Labour to win the next General Election because it fears Cameron could win an EU Referendum.”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793688/farage-backs-miliband-ukip-want-labour-win-election-fear-cameron-win-eu-referendum.html

merrygoround51 · 21/05/2015 12:12

How can anyone take the guy who says that the US has devolved more power to the people and we should take their lead - the US!!!!

Where elections are bought by the sheer weight and volume of vested interest donations. Come on!

Also wasnt Stewart Pearson in the Thick of It meant to be loosely based on him? For that reason alone, I'm out!

claig · 21/05/2015 12:18

'Also wasnt Stewart Pearson in the Thick of It meant to be loosely based on him? '

Yes he was. I'm out too. I don't like modernisation and Cameroonianism. I'm joking about Hilton, but he does says some things that make sense.

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Isitmebut · 21/05/2015 12:38

"I'm joking about Hilton,"

Apparently jokes all around, but yours is rather a long or 'shaggy dog' one, the following is a shagged old dog, getting what he deserves. IMO.

Nigel Farage mocked by fellow MEPs: 'Welcome, big election loser'
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nigel-farage-mocked-by-fellow-meps-welcome-big-election-loser-10266477.html

claig · 25/05/2015 23:14

Kathy Gyngell, co-editor of 'The Conservative Woman', has two good funny articles on moderniser, Steve Hilton.

Warning! 'The Conservative Woman' should not be read by modernisers as it may cause a shock. It's not modernising, it's not progressive, it's old-school, it's conservatism as it was before the Cameroons took over.

"Kathy Gyngell: Steve Hilton is right. We do have a problem with big business. We haven’t got any

This tiny fact seems to have escaped the Conservative Party modernisers – that strange breed of liberal Marxists, who began infiltrating the party back in 2005 – who since the election was over have managed to escaped the cupboard they were locked into. And they are very keen to claim credit for the Tory victory.

Some of them even believe that Cameron’s surprise win gives the Conservatives a chance to ‘shake things up’ and, taking advantage of a newly enfeebled Opposition, prove what a force for ‘modernisation’ the Conservative Party could be."
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(Shortly, I will be blogging on Steve Hilton, the moderniser who has turned to marriage - will it be religion next?)

conservativewoman.co.uk/kathy-gyngell-steve-hilton-is-right-we-do-have-a-problem-with-big-business-we-havent-got-any/

And here she is on Hilton's Daily Mail article on marriage, which I liked the sound of and which was a slap in the face of the BBC and the modernising, progressive metropolitan elite.

"You will have to forgive my less than enthusiastic welcome to Mr Steve Hilton’s sudden and remarkable conversion to the cause of marriage. A bit late in the day, the cynic would be justified in asserting
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My cynicism hinges on more than the question of his gesture towards closing the stable door after the horse has bolted .

Were that it, as an avid campaigner for marriage myself since 1990, I should surely be rejoicing at this return of a prodigal son.

After all his article, "Come on Dave, it’s time to stand up for marriage", in The Daily Mail last week says all the right things.
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This, after all, is the man who talked of the need to "replace" the traditionally minded grassroots membership of the Conservative party, one which he saw was preventing the party from embracing a more metropolitan attitude on social issues.

This is the man who worked with Cameron to re-brand the Conservative party as green and progressive.

This is the new age guru who at David Cameron’s side from 2005 to 2012 showed no interest in marriage at all over these years, and who now shows no responsibility for, or remorse for, sustaining the anti-marriage progressive agenda that typified the Blair-Brown years and which has subsequently defined the Cameron years. Was he not there too?

conservativewoman.co.uk/kathy-gyngell-hiltons-hypocrisy-how-can-this-self-proclaimed-defender-of-marriage-cosy-up-to-its-nemesis-harman/

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Isitmebut · 26/05/2015 12:53

Still with the "modernizing" label and ex ex policy advisor Hilton non entity trying to push his new book, yet nothing on the apparent advantages of UKIP's Farage cull/dictatorship. Strange.

Claig ... re this modernizing 'stuff', what am I not getting the point of, should any political party retaining core policies, adapting peripheral policies to the times? Are you saying political parties should stay the same from inception?

claig · 26/05/2015 13:12

'Are you saying political parties should stay the same from inception?'

No, I think they should get better and remove the tripe. That is why I think Labour are right to begin focusing on ambition ec.

But modernisaon is a joke. Can you imagine what Lady Thatcher would have made of "modernisation", she would have thought it was aking to "socialism". Modernisation is something that someone like Jacques Delors would have come up with after an all expenses taxpayer paid lunch

Thatcher would have told him

"No, Mr Delors, we shall not have modernisation by the back door"

and UKIP voters and I suspect the entire staff at 'The Conservative Woman' would have agreed with her.

Here is Tory MP, David Davis, on the mindset of the Blairite progressive London metropolitan elite (mainly Oxbridge) cogoscenti who make up our modernising progressive class

"Trying to modernise the party without knowing why it needed to be modernised was like trying to fix a broken leg with radiotherapy. You may end up doing more harm than good.

Essentially, the modernisers absorbed the view of London’s metropolitan elite, which confuses social conservatism with bigotry, patriotism with xenophobia, or even racism, and equates an admiration for wealth creation with disdain for the poor and even carelessness about the future of the planet. Nonsensical views, but remarkably common in the upper reaches of parts of London society."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2772283/The-threat-UKIP-no-longer-laughing-matter-Get-Dave-lower-taxes-win-Election-writes-DAVID-DAVIS.html

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Isitmebut · 26/05/2015 14:12

So Thatcher never changed, or modernized a thing from the 1970's? Guffaw.

What a lot of labeling rollocks only those down the Tooting Popular Front would care a tuppeny feck about; as those down 'The Dog & Duck' are far more concerned about the policies, not labels, that affect their daily lives.

The economic formula to economic prosperity is fairly standard, and it matters not a jot the label/class of those in power doing the right thing - even those with eyes open in Labour are seeing that concentrating of promoting class devision over sound policies, is not just negative, it lost them the last election.

Labour thought 'importing' Obama's campaign manager Mr Axelrod and his 'us and them' class devision ideas, would do the same for Miliband, but didn't factor in Labour's economic record/credibility, or that in America, the Democrats were not in power during the crash.

One of the dangers of buying a campaign 'off the shelf', like expensive software for the office. IMO.

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