UKIP's colouring book comment - who votes for these idiots?

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Link to BBC article here

If you don't want 16-17 year old teens to vote because they've been brainwashed by colouring books and later on even university research projects - does that mean you don't want the young to have a vote at all? So at some point, you will only grant pensioners a vote?

Because - you know - all the young ones are tainted now. They should have no say at all.

Well, let me tell you... Ms. Suzanne Evans, spokeswoman for the UKIP party. It is the future of these young people you're playing with. They have to live in this world with the mistakes made by previous generations long after you've gone. Because of this, I think there should be a system whereby the vote of the young counts more.

Currently, too many pensioners and soon-to-be pensioners have too much say due to the sheer number of people in that age group. They are the ones shaping the world of tomorrow - a world they are unlikely to live in for long. Hence, politics tends to be a lot about short-term benefits rather than taking a real long-term view.

After that comment by UKIP, I really think that whoever votes for them must be a bigger idiot than their spokespeople.

Two other important phrases are "people's insurgency" and "teenage think tank whizzkids from Oxbridge".

I see claigs posts and my eyes glaze over

Tl;dr

Are you a luvvie?

I will be anything you want me to be dear.

OK, then vote UKIP

Me too Greysanderson and I enjoy political debate, but those posts are rather like being trapped next to the office bore at the Christmas Party who just loves the sound of their own voice.

Because Alexandpea - it is not a debate. How would you like sitting at a table of, say, 10 people, and one person talks 50% of the time.

I find the blind idolising of Farage very alarming. I haven't spent all my life in the UK - and the places where people speak about a politician in the same way claig does are are places you don't want to live in. Places that typically have a leader who's really a dictator but he (for it mostly is a 'he') is charismatic enough to blind an entire nation. One thing history tells us is this: regardless of who you vote for, you have to maintain a critical eye for that particular person / party.

According to claig, Farage seems near perfect - like the shining knight in white armour... which no politician is. She's disgusted with the Oxbridge elite, when - as people have pointed out - Farage is not too dissimilar from them. Just like the others, he attended public school, too - the only difference is, he didn't go to uni. Instead, he climbed up the trading/merchant banking route which isn't the most altruistic of all industries. How much a person with such a background can truly represent the general electorate is questionable. Everyone can read the Daily Mail, agree with it, and find that a large proportion of Britain agrees with you, too. Or better yet, steal some ideas from the Republicans in the USA.

In the European parliament, Farage went on to personally insult people (which isn't as common in Europe as it may be for politicians in the UK), as well as entire countries. At the end of the day, whether you like it or not, politics is not just about the country you live in. In this interconnected and globalised world, it's increasingly more about your relationship with other countries, or more precisely, the relationship of our senior politicians (e.g. prime minister) with those of other countries. How can you possibly build relationships across borders when you behave as appallingly as he did?

The reason I alk "50% of the time" is because other posters asjk me 50% or more of the questions and I reply.

'I find the blind idolising of Farage very alarming. I haven't spent all my life in the UK'

You don't understand that I am exaggerating to have a laugh, you don't understand that I am "not disgusted with the Oxbridge elites", I understand that that is how the system works and they are who the system promotes. I highlight how it is because I think it could be better by allowing the voice and participation of more ordinary people, just like in Labour's old days when miners and dockers and Nye Bevan etc were in power, when social mobilit was better and people were represented by a boader section of the population than now. I think Oxbridge is a great place, I just mock and have laugh about the "teenage whiizzkids from Oxbridge who are out of touch".

'the places where people speak about a politician in the same way claig does are are places you don't want to live in'

You don't understand my ironic humour. I think Farage is better than the Oxbridge whizzkids but I am not stupid to not know that even he, great as he is, must be influenced by some people and may have some of his strings pulled by some people.

'She's disgusted with the Oxbridge elite, when - as people have pointed out - Farage is not too dissimilar from them. Just like the others, he attended public school,'

But this is why in what you term "my essays" I have tried to explain why Farage is different to all the rest. It has nothing to do with what school he went to, how rich he is , whether he speaks Latin or not. Millions of people have gone through public schools, that doesn't mean they are all the same. This is politics, not about alumni. It is what Farage represents and what he stands for and his political philosophy that counts and that is totally different to that of all the rest of them. I have explained how his ideas challenge the Establishment - its political correctness, its climate change claptrap, its EU policy, its immigration policies, its signing away of national sovereignty and its disregard for ordinary people. Daniel Finkelstrein, a Tory moderniser, was on Newsnight last night and said that Cameron wanted the 7 leader format debate in order to limit Farage's time and that he had succeeded in that. They are terrified of Farage because of what he represents (i.e. the people) and of how he could quite easily take millions of votes from them.

Farage isn't a dictator. He is not even a "professional politician" like the Oxbridge PPEs. He represents the people and as Farage said "the politically correct political class" who all "sound the same" and "are all the same" are terrified of someone who represnts the people and promises real change.

One of the key truths that Farage said last night shows why they are so terrified of Farage. UKIP's Suzanne Evans couldn't terrify them because she doesn't really understand, but Farage gets it, he understands the game.

Farage said something like "They are all the same. For some unfathomable reason, I just can't understand, they all want to spend billions of taxpayer money on foreign aid".

I am sure Farage understands why and they worry that he, the outsider,the only one who disagrees with their consensus, may tell the people why. Cameron wanted to limit Farage's time and he succeeded. But there are still 35 days to go, and Farage is not politically correct and will speak his mind and that is what scares them.

It is not just me who understands how important Farage has been for our democracy, how he has shaken the entire Establishment and the Oxbridge class that it has promoted and who serve it above the people. One of our greatest political commentators, Peter Oborne, gets it.

Farage has blown politics wide open, he has represented the people and has terrified the Oxbridge elite. I have said that a lot of the rest of UKIP's spokespeople are not that good and couldn't terrify a mouse let alone the entire Establishment and heir Oxbridge management team. The reason is very simple. The quality that makes Farage great and scares the living daylights out of the Bullingdon Club is that Farage is not politically correct.

"Whether or not Ukip wins, this month’s European election campaign has belonged to one politician alone: Nigel Farage. Single-handedly he has brought these otherwise moribund elections to life. Single-handedly he has restored passion, genuine debate and meaning to politics. Single-handedly he has reinvented British democracy. This is a superlative achievement, and Mr Farage deserves to be celebrated. Instead strenuous attempts have been made to turn him into a figure of odium and contempt."

www.spectator.co.uk/features/9212811/ukips-triumph/

SinisterBunnyMonth, those are not his policies. That is how his policies are being characterised by Labour who are terrified by the reaction and warming to UKIP that their canvassers find at the door when they meet the people.

They know that Farage is likely to rip chunks out of their vote and that is why they try to scare people by misrepresenting what Farage stands for.

The great Peter Oborne summed it up

"Mr Farage deserves to be celebrated. Instead strenuous attempts have been made to turn him into a figure of odium and contempt."

That is all they have got left, they are in the last chance saloon, Farage is their nemesis and election day looms.

This is why there is so much odium and misrepresentation and scaremongering about Farage.

"Labour candidate: we face 'existential threat' from Ukip in south"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/17/labour-candidate-existential-threat-ukip-south-working-class

They never faced an "existential crisis" from the Tories and the Bullingdon Club, but now they are in a battle with a party that represents the people and with a leader who is so politically incorrect that he will dare to say the truth.

I feel sorry for them, but their Oxbridge training can't save them from Farage and the truth.

Do ukip have a manifesto published yet? I believe the answer is nope. Will we get one before the GE?

'Will we get one before the GE?'

It's touch and go. Personally I wouldn't put money on it unless Farage was in charge of it.

But it matters little. Everyone knows what UKIP stand for - the people against the elite.

claig

You really have to be careful at quoting all this links online, etc.

Since you said it is not easy to write essays - well, I have to write macroeconomic pieces for work, which includes individual analysis from raw data rather than quotes from one online article and another. This takes a lot of time, which is also what made me wonder how you can write so much in broad daylight when most people have to do work.

The reason I have to tackle raw data is this: articles written in the general media are often not conducive to the truth. People tend to use statistics that support the arguments they make. Journalists are not exempt from this, but often, it all boils down to the fact that journalists might be good writers, but are not necessarily great at maths.

Not long ago, I was asked to pour over a very long article written by a credible journalist. The reason I was asked to look at them was that he highlighted a few products of our company (in a positive manner), but the numbers didn't quite look right.

The stats he used were 'correct' (results of a database), but it was the methodology behind the calculation within that (alarmingly) widely used database that sort of 'distorted' the figures he got. Basically, the results were meaningless. However, the results formed the core of his story - the essence of the argument he was making.

I performed the calculation using the correct methodology, and the numbers showed the opposite of the point he was trying to drive home. People reading that article at home would never know this though.

The thing is claig if people are glazing over, not reading/listening, switching off, etc., then you are just talking to yourself.

Posters don't ask you 50% of the questions and even if they did you could answer without the interminable lecture. Debates require clear concise answers to keep moving, a long winded stream of rhetoric is a sure fire way of ensuring people close their ears.

Also, the jokes, if they were ever jokes, have worn so thin they are practically see through. A 'joke' repeated ad nauseum just serves to make the teller look foolish and devoid of anything original or interesting to say.

'This takes a lot of time, which is also what made me wonder how you can write so much in broad daylight when most people have to do work.'

Yes but I don't quote from raw data, I post quotes from journalists and commentators and I run my own business, so I am the boss and can do what I like when I like.

'The thing is claig if people are glazing over'

You may be glazing over but not everyone is. I quote comments and quotes from Farage, Peter Oborne, Suzanne Moore, Peter Hitchens and lots of other great journalists in order to encourage discussion. Ans as UKIP represenst approx in 7 of teh electorate's views and rising, I explain why it is a le that UKIP are racist etc and I explain why people vote for UKIP and why Farage has shaken up our entire politically correct political system to such an extent that Cameron wanted a 7 leader debate in order to stop Farage getting more airtime to wipe the floor with Cameron.

Unlike other posters, I don't insult any posters or tell them not to post and I answer anyone who asks what political correctness is and why it is such a strong element of UKIP's appeal to resist it.

"Lord Ashcroft: voters defecting to Ukip because they are fed up with political correctness

Voters are defecting from the Conservatives to Ukip because they are fed up with political correctness, not because of Europe, Lord Ashcroft said today."

The only people I mock are the luvvies.

This is a political discussion forum and UKIP has transformed and shaken British politics to the core to such an extent that hung parliaments are now our future until UKIP eventualy destroys the Tory Party and the Labour Party.

There is hardly a more important story of recent times. It is going to affect everything and the people's insurgency is not going to stop because the people's wishes will and have not been addressed.

'UKIP's colouring book comment - who votes for these idiots?'

1 in 7 of the electorate and rising and that is just for this election. Wait and see what happens in 2020. This is a revolution and the politically correct Establishment bigwigs have no answer to it.

This is Suzanne Moore in the Guardian

"We are in Broadstairs, in South Thanet, where Farage is standing and I have met a good few “Alisons” – decent people who are veering towards Ukip. I wish I could say they were all bonkers and racist, but they aren’t. I will say the party they are voting for is."

It’s all a lot more complicated than that. I come from Suffolk, so I feel in my bones how far away psychologically these places are from the governing state of mind that is London. Their feeling of abandonment is not conjured out of thin air, and it is no good to just say their emotions are imaginary."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/01/nigel-farage-needs-thanet-much-more-than-thanet-needs-nigel-farage

You're repeating yourself, claig, you have already linked and quoted Suzanne Moore in this thread.

Saying the same things over and over again doesn't make them more interesting or worthy of note, hence my comment about talking to yourself, posters will just scroll past your contributions. Mind you I am starting to wonder if it's a case of "the lady doth protest too much" with you and if the person you are desperately trying to convince is, in fact, you.

I repeated Suzanne Moore in case your eyes glazed over ina longer post. Not everyone reads entire threads. They often only read the last few posts. If you think I have nothing to contribute, then you can always skip my posts.

I am convinced, I'm with the People's Army.

Yes, I am ashamed to say that is true. I never liked them much because they are politically correct, hoodie hugging, rooftop wind turbine types, but they were better than Labour, so I backed them.

I finally had enough of them in May 2013 in the local elections when I and about 20% of former Tories abandoned them, left them to their wind turbines, foreign aid, minimum alcohol pricing, switching off our streetlights after midnight and all the rest of their politically correct manifesto and voted UKIP.

That was when the people's revolution started the People's Army was born and Farage became a national hero and defender of the people and the rollercoaster ride to topple the luvvies began.