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Scottish Independence Referendum

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SuggestmeaUsername · 12/09/2014 21:54

If my partner said to me I do not love you and do not want to be with you but I will stay with you because it is financially beneficial, I would think that it was not a very good reason to stay together. I would be sad and heartbroken but would say we should part friends and on good terms and is better to be happy and true to one's feelings and beliefs.

I love Scotland and I hope that Scotland decides that despite the turbulent way we all came together in history, we are all actually the same in terms of our values and beliefs and that we are better together. We are a family of nations on this island and have shown the world what amazing stuff we have achieved together - inventions, engineering feats, scientific discovery, commerce, defending freedom and fighting tyranny, culture and sharing of decent values, music. there is so much we have done together.

We are faced with new threats in the World today but as one United Kingdom, we can face those threats together more effectively.

I hope that Scotland has grown to love us despite the turbulent past. However, the reasons for staying together need to be the right reasons. It needs to be because we all share one heart. If Scotland's heart is not with the rest of us, then it should go its separate way, even if it means financial pain and turbulence and other difficulties at the start.

Please Scotland, I do not want you to go, because I love you along with the other members of our family!

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Beachcomber · 17/09/2014 20:38

I think one of the main sticking points is that Scotland is a fundamentally socialist country. I mean really socialist.

Which is why a lot of people want to vote for independence. Because we believe in fairness and social justice, and we don't think that we get what we believe in with the current set up.

Beachcomber · 17/09/2014 20:42

And no, we don't love you. Hmm

This vote isn't about history, it is about the future.

Having said that, the history is very very ugly.

CorporateRockWhore · 17/09/2014 20:46

But, Scotland and England are fundamentally not the same in terms of values; that's why there's a referendum!

All this 'share one heart' nonsense is silly; it's a decision based on values, economics and how people feel about certain issues i.e. NHS, Trident, etc.

Please don't speak to people like they're fools and it would all be ok if we just learned to be pals. Don't you think Scottish people have spent the last year (at least) arming themselves with all of the necessary information to make an education, informed decision?

Isitmebut · 18/09/2014 00:07

What a shame that in the post 1976 IMF bailout that in 1979, and 2010, those 'values' nearly tipped the whole UK over the edge.

The NHS has never been at threat, other than from a socialist government doubling spending and over using Private Finance Initiative debt impacting on Hospital Trusts annual budgets, but had too little getting through to the front line - as those using it increased by 6 million over several years.

Trident, that would cost several billion a year over a decade or so when Russia wants expand back to the old Soviet Union, isn't a bad investment especially if a socialist government, apparent feeling flushed with money, can blow £170 billion on a fat State/Quangos.

Will Scotland be safer putting up a 'blast barrier' that will stop the fallout from numerous Russian missiles hitting England, how will that work?

Are Scotland 'values' to remain defenceless from a Russia that likes to send fighters/bombers down towards Scotland to 'test' our defences? How much money is Scotland going to spend duplicating the Uk's armed forces that currently protect us all?

The Scottish people are not even armed with a Scottish currency, Scottish interest rates, a viable Scottish banking system and wants to rely on oil that produced around £5 billion last year, which is around 3% of Scotland economy, as businesses faced with huge uncertainty, 'break for the border'.

That £5 billion annual oil money, with wild price changes from one year to next, has to be s-p-r-e-a-d an awfully long way.

Scottish taxes will have to rise through the roof to achieve a 5* NHS, and 'social justice' as Private Sector jobs disappear, a pipe dream.

Isitmebut · 18/09/2014 00:29

“Scotland Risks Swiss-Like ‘Hollow Force’ With Separate Military”
www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-17/scotland-risks-swiss-like-hollow-force-with-separate-military.html

“The first couple of years will be full of romantic notions of an independent defense force and then you hit some rocky times and people will say, ‘Hang on, didn’t we go independent to save our healthcare? To save our education? Why are we spending all this money on an army?’” he said. “Things get cut and you get this slow degradation of capability.”

Isitmebut · 19/09/2014 14:11

Here was Russia respecting a Scotland's wish not to retain a nuclear deterrent, or indeed a fully funded UK armed services of our own, when facing their threats going back to the old Cold War days.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762225/British-fighter-jets-execute-flawless-scramble-intercept-two-Russian-Bear-aircraft-flying-international-airspace.html

M.A.D. (mutually assured destruction) is not nice to think about, it's not cheap, but arguably it stopped someone over there pressing a button from a position of hissy fit strength, without fear of retaliation.

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