Ironmaiden999 ….. re the treatment of Ukip’s Mr Lord who had been campaigning for Ukip since 1997 and ‘all political party’s do it’, you still don’t see it do you? Firstly there are probably a thousand posts on Mumsnet (mostly by Claig) lecturing us on how Ukip are NOT like other political parties.
Secondly, on the parachuting of Labour’s Hunt into another seat, Ukip (Claig) keeps telling us that the elitist Conservatives and their anti Christ backers have to be replaced, when Ukip’s rich backer is actively trying to recruit sitting Conservative MP’s, via his Mayfair restaurant lunch club, into Ukip – which is priceless whichever way you look at that.
Re Cameron's record, so you have confirmed you CANNOT DISAGREE on his achievements I’ve listed, plus help for state pensioners after years of derisory rises and the lower paid via raising the level they pay taxes - or his part in rescuing the UK from a previous totally incompetent Labour administration, with no clue how to solve anything in 2010, other that raise taxes to be announced after the 2010 General Election.
On Cameron’s net immigration figures, you seems confused, as on the one hand you agree that he (or any country within the EU) cannot do much about the free movement of European workers as part of being IN the EU, and on the other hand start rattling off Ukip soundbites meant to stir up the masses.
On EU immigration and the NET UK immigration figure Cameron targeted, I’m not sure if you have worked it out yet that the more pooh the EU finds itself in, and the better the UK economy/job market is, FEWER UK citizens will leave, or indeed come back home which also influences the net figures - and MORE EU citizens will come here, as we saw last month when those from the larger countries came here to work.
The quickest way to STOP this would be a Conservative 2017 Referendum and ‘the people’ giving an OUT vote, which Ukip voters in 2015 ensures will not happen.
On NON EU citizens coming here, the annual average of Commonwealth and Other, according to the link below on Table 1, in the 1990’s, the annual average was around 86,000 each section.
Yet in the 2000’s this changed significantly, as looking at just the years 2004 and 2005, when EU immigration was expected and was much larger than expected, Commonwealth and Other figures WE HAD CONTROL OVER were combined at around DOUBLE those immigrants from the EU.
In 2004 (arriving) EU 130,000..Commonwealth 215,000 ….Other 155,000
In 2005 (arriving) EU 152,000...Commonwealth 180,000 …….Other 137,000
migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-and-uk
Now I’m sure the must have been estimated EU figure would have been revised higher by now, whereas the Commonwealth and Other as signed it will be the same, so ask yourself WHY with the prospect of EU immigration did both figures knowingly increase hugely from the 1990’s annual average of 86,000 each?
Now I believe that the immigration we could control went down by at least 33% under Cameron and closer to the 1990’s averages, but I’ll leave you to do your own homework on that.
In Conclusion; under Cameron NET EU immigration has been affected UPWARDS to his much lower than 100,000 target due to the weakness of the EU economy and strength of our economy BUT those potential migrants from outside the EU, thanks to policies like closing several hundred bogus language schools etc, HAS dropped markedly.
A vote for Ukip’s Farage, is a vote for pro EU and broader immigration Labour’s Miliband - so why should anyone who sees the continued membership of the EU, immigration and a strong economy as issues to vote on, waste a vote for a talent less UKIP, that aspires to recruiting more Conservatives???