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Labour signs up Obama’s Axelrod - ‘No We Can’t’?

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Isitmebut · 19/04/2014 01:56

By signing up Obama’s electoral strategist David Axelrod, Miliband will not be fighting the 2015 General Election by debating policies that really matter to the electorate and the future prosperity of this country, he will offer populist solutions that easily resonate with voters, but in reality he can not deliver i.e. low global energy prices by decree and guaranteed above inflation wage packets for all.

We know this based on Obama’s last campaign promising broader prosperity to ‘the people’, his win and the ‘No We Can’t’ mediocre results so far that has seen his approval ratings plummet to George Bush levels. So Labour will be certain repeat their 2010 strategy of promising a lot with little detail, hidden within a rhetoric that they and their supporters fill most comfortable, a pathetic class war where taxing the rich and deficit /debt spending, will solve everything.

But I see a problem with that for Miliband IF they are expecting to appeal to a wider set of voters other than the faithful who don’t care how bad Labour screw up everytime they run the country – so is this just a strategy to consolidate their core voter and obtain the dodgy electoral boundary 35% of the vote needed for a working majority in 2015?

I suggest this as even on basic scrutiny, what worked for Obama, can not work for Miliband as unlike post financial crash Obama’s Democrats, Labour was in power over the crash and their fat overspending State during THEIR stewardship of our economy is largely responsible for the unbalanced economy and deficit reduction/austerity that any responsible party would have had to address from 2010.

How can Miliband follow Obama’s populist but hollow inequality and bold spending rhetoric when;

  • An extortionate tax rate for the rich and the Private Sector/Businesses, plus fat State deficit /national debt spending favoured by Miliband, and in common with Obama's rhetoric, was tried by France’s Hollande and was a disaster for France, it’s twice cut credit rating and his approval ratings.

And France that had a much better balanced economy and lower budget deficit post crash, has since reversed socialist policies and implemented Osborne ‘Plan A’ type pro business/growth policies, resulting in record 11% unemployment levels are now falling and GDP growth rising.

  • The rich paid far LESS Income, Capital Gains and Housing taxes etc under Labour, than under the Conservatives.

  • The poor paid more income tax under Labour, than under the Conservatives.

  • Our GDP growth under Labour was less balanced and more akin to a giant Ponzi scheme build on the proceeds of City speculation, Retail bank balance sheet growth and a huge increase in government spending/debt stimulation during the boom years, than under the Conservatives.pre 1997 and post 2010
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Isitmebut · 24/04/2014 13:50

had to laugh at the following article, as a clearly frightened Miliband prepares to fight the next general election on the Labour Party’s rubbish political record over the past 18-years, using the pretence that the Conservatives will call him names e.g. geeky. lol

“Labour prepares for dirty war against Tory spin machine ahead of 2015 election”
“Labour is to set up an “attack unit” to hit back immediately at Conservative attempts to target Ed Miliband in the clearest sign yet that the party is preparing for a “dirty war” at next year’s general election.”

So due to that record of incompetence in power and in opposition, if Miliband’s Labour and their advisors get their way, the 2015 General Election will be the most the dirtiest, most negative, and ethnic targeted campaign in our history, rather than focus on policies to expand the coalitions economic successes to date - a platform from which our national prosperity and national debt reduction, depends on.

In 2010 already a party in government empty of any ideas how to fix the seemingly insurmountable economic and social problems their 13-years in power had brought upon the people, mainly caused by their policies, their clueless 2010 General Election manifesto might as well had a white (rather than symbolic red) flag on the cover.

So their strategy was to let the Conservatives make all the governmental reforms needed to address a £157 billion annual budget deficit that they were not morally, intellectually, or politically brave enough to implement themselves, lose the 1 million jobs Labour forecast, and taa-daah, Labour would be re-elected in 2015.

Well that has not worked out quite as planned, and the only policies that Labour have had that were not populist and unworkable, WAS TO OPPOSE EVERYTHING, so in 2015, politically they cannot even say that they would have done the same – so back to 2010 Square One, a Labour Party full of phoney class war mantra and accusations, but bereft of any ideas they can tell the electorate about, until AFTER they get back in power - when in the past they raised taxes and raided private Pensions.

Enter the American Team Axelrod, the class/wealth negative election campaign campaign savours of the increasingly unpopular Obama, who instead of taking the Republican’s on with issues and policies, decided to BROADEN Obama’s voter base by reaching out directly to ethnic groups (including the blacks he forgot in his first campaign to get the white vote) promising them all sorts he has no hope of delivering.

“Obama 2012 campaign’s Operation Vote focuses on ethnic minorities, core liberals”

“President Obama’s campaign is developing an aggressive new program to expand support from ethnic minority groups and other traditional Democratic voters as his team studies an increasingly narrow path to victory in next year’s re-election effort.”

"The program, called “Operation Vote,” underscores how the tide has turned for Obama, whose 2008 brand was built on calls to unite “red and blue America.” Then, he presented himself as a politician who could transcend traditional partisan divisions, and many white centrists were drawn to the coalition that helped elect the country’s first black president."

"Today, the political realities of a spluttering economy, a more polarized Washington and fast sinking presidential approval ratings, particularly among white independents, are forcing the Obama campaign to adjust its tactics."

"Operation Vote will function as a large, centralized department in the Chicago campaign office for reaching ethnic, religious and other voter groups. It will coordinate recruitment of an ethnic volunteer base and push out targeted messages online and through the media to groups such as blacks, Hispanics, Jews, women, seniors, young people, gays and Asian Americans."

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Isitmebut · 24/04/2014 13:57

And how well does this Axelrod/Obama strategy dove-tail in in with Labour’s policies whilst in power dating back to 2001, the seemingly socially inexcusable policy to flood the UK with NON EU citizens when we already had high unemployment and not enough homes?

“Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser”

“Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed.”

The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.

He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".

“As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.”

“Critics said the revelations showed a "conspiracy" within Government to impose mass immigration for "cynical" political reasons.”

And what could that cynical plot be all about?

“Million foreign voters could sway result of next general election, warns report”

“A million Commonwealth citizens living in England and Wales should be stripped of the right to vote because they. could significantly influence the outcome of the next general election, according to a new report”

“MigrationWatch UK said the general public would be “astonished” to learn how many non-Britons are permitted to take part in elections.”

“The group, which campaigns for tighter immigration, said it was a “hangover from the days of Empire” that citizens from 54 independent sovereign states, including Australia, Canada and India, can register on the electoral roll as long as they have an address in Britain.”

“MigrationWatch’s report said: “One possible reason why Lord Goldsmith’s report was largely ignored by the Labour government of the day is that voters from black and minority ethnic communities, some of whom will be Commonwealth citizens, are far more likely to vote Labour than Liberal Democrat or Conservative.”

“A report last year by the Runnymede Trust showed 68 per cent of black and Asian people backed Labour in the last general election, said the study, which also suggested the Commonwealth vote could be influential in the referendum on European Union membership.”

What little post election surprise can we expect from a leftie driven Labour government after 2015 for votes after that; dismiss 1.500 years of Christian history and declare Britain as a secular rather than Christian zone – nah, first you’d have to have the lefie outriders protesting that the UK is Christian to see that one coming.

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Jux · 07/05/2014 19:06

Was he the one responsible for that truly pathetic PPB shown just now? It was diabolical. If he even so much as signed off on it he should be sacked immediately.

claig · 07/05/2014 21:15

No, I very much doubt it was him. He is very clever and very busy and is still in the States. I doubt he would have signed that crap off. That is much more likely to have been signed off by the entire Oxbridge Labour committee of strategists and planners in charge of policy. They need Axelrod, they need him badly.

Jux · 07/05/2014 23:26

Yes. My brother said it was probably the work a 22 year old intern. It really was rubbish. If Axelrod is as good as they say, they should onvest their entire budget on a time machine and get him here a few months ago just to stop that travesty.

claig · 07/05/2014 23:33

It seems to have been created by an ad agency of some sort called Lucky Generals. I think it sums Labour up. Spin and no conviction.

Jux · 08/05/2014 09:50

Oh well, they got me talking about it. One nil to them then. Sad

It was still crap, and badly done. Script bad, acting bad. Not funny.

Sorry, have derailed the thread.

Isitmebut · 08/05/2014 10:34

Jux ... you haven't derailed the thread, quite the opposite - as that advert is proving my belief that Labour, with nothing to say on 'the positives' e.g. aspiration, will concentrate on 'negative' campaigning as it worked for Obama last time.

The real joke is as per the first few paragraphs of my second post, when Miliband said that HE needed to prepare for a 'dirty war', where he knew the Conservatives (and Lib Dems, who've seen many of their voters switch to Labour) would/could compare policy/records in power that Labour would be on the wrong side of - so his answer HAD to be a 'class war', appealing to their core vote, to get the 36% of the vote (un)decent majority in the 2015 parliament.

It's pretty pathetic really, but in 2010 even as the party in government they chose not to detail any spending, cuts and new taxes plans, and now they've officially ditched the 'New' Labour mantra of Blair, they are reverting back to old Labour of the 1970's - with more heavy hands of the State policies to boot.

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Isitmebut · 14/05/2014 10:40

I understand that David 'The Axe' Axelrod rode into town today to personally advise Mr Miliband on the dark arts of 'negative campaigning' that worked so well for Mr Obama - so I guess we haven't seen anything like the worst of it yet.

If 'The Axe' was to really earn his Shilling, he'd suggest a more 'Yes we can' campaign, and 'chop in' Ed Miliband for his brother, who came so close to leading the Labour Party and would have had more pro investment in the UK attitudes, rather than State Controls of areas where we desperately need more i.e. housing, energy and private sector job creation, WHICH WILL DRIVE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, away.

Just throwing 'red meat' to the faithful shows a complete lack of vision for UK growth/national debt reduction and gives those campaigning on the door step nothing positive to look forward to other than short term State fixes to problems 'controls' will make worse - as more and more people close to Ed are starting to tell him.

Come on Ed. more 'yes we can' build a better Britain, rather than cover what we have in red-tape - so we get solid issues to debate on both sides come the 2015 General Election and offer the electorate real alternatives - rather than soundbites of a so called 'class war', due to a total lack of policy imagination.

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