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Who should I vote for? My views seem to be all over the place.

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tobybox · 09/04/2014 12:38

None of the parties seem to represent anything near where my political views lie.

Could someone who is more clued up than me help me out?

My main views are:

  • NMW should rise dramatically, to a 'living wage', and the low threshold for tax should rise too. Tax hike for higher incomes and a slight raise for middle incomes (that would be me!) but with full tax visibility (so we can see where our taxes are being paid).
  • A much stricter cap on university places, but with the funding money saved on university expenditure, transfer this to apprenticeship/technical training schemes instead.
  • I am against free schools. I think they cause divisions within local communities in terms of religion/ethnicity discrimination etc. I am however in favour of academically selective grammar schools and independent schools. I would like to see the return of the Assisted Places Scheme.
  • I am in favour of HS2 and generally in favour of increased infrastructure & transport links, and wind power. I support First Buy schemes etc. but (and I don't know much about this) would support schemes to limit people buying up properties and then not living in them, to sell them at a profit later.
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morethanpotatoprints · 10/04/2014 15:53

bearing in mind that no party will represent all of your views is it just not a case of finding the nearest fit.
I'm not sure who to vote for but I'm going to compile a list of what is important to me and look for the party who offers the right solution to me.
is this too simple? Should I be looking at other things.

Impatientismymiddlename · 10/04/2014 16:02

Morethan - I will probably do something similar.
I will have the definite 'not a chance list',
the 'I would if I didn't feel it was a wasted vote list'
and then the 'possible list'.
I will then carefully go through the manifestos and make my decision based on the one that I agree with the most from my possible list.

morethanpotatoprints · 10/04/2014 16:06

I'm really not fussed what happens with education as it doesn't affect us one little bit, but would I be wrong to not think of what other people would like.
This is what confuses me, do people vote selfishly for their own family because it is supposed to be a personal vote, or do they think of others with their vote?
Thank you Impatient

Impatientismymiddlename · 10/04/2014 16:22

Everybody considers different things when they vote.
Some people think about the country generally or about their own personal lives. Immigration is an example of this: some people think that we need to halt immigration because immigration has affected their own personal job prospects or their children's chances of getting into a certain school. Or any number of reasons which could be personal or general.
So entires the things that people consider affect both themselves on a personal level but also the wider population.

The things that concern me and will be important to me when I decide to vote are:
Education - in particularly university fees and loan arrangements. My children are far from university at the moment but I do have concerns about poorer students not going to university due to the worry about student debt. It is something that I would consider at a general public level.
Health - I worry that waiting lists are getting longer and that public spending on heath needs to increase / be better targeted. I don't currently have any personal reasons to be concerned about waiting lists, I just think we need an efficient and comprehensive health system.
Welfare benefits - I will be swayed towards the party that I think will protect the most vulnerable and needy in society and not punish people for situations beyond their control (the sick and disabled and carers). I have personal reasons for this, but I am also concerned about the number of deaths that gave been reported as a result of unfair benefit sanctions and assessments.
Social care - we need a comprehensive social care system that helps the most vulnerable and adequately supports families.
The economy - this is definitely a general thing. I want to hear about how public spending can be managed well whilst still delivering services to the mot vulnerable in society. I also want to know how we can make work pay to ensure that nobody is worse off by working ( especially with childcare). I dont use any childcare, but I do think it is a main concern of families with young children and nobody should be forced to be childless due to not being able to afford childcare.
I have more, but I am rambling on so will stop there Grin

Impatientismymiddlename · 10/04/2014 16:23

Based on that, who can I vote for?

Astonway · 10/04/2014 19:31

It is really heartening to read the above! The prevalence of nasty insulting messages on news websites is depressing...MNers are a cut above.
I am a Politics graduate and was CEO of a people charity before Sjogren's laid me low - but I have been an election teller and vote counter in recent years and seen democracy in action.

My commitment is to democracy - people ought to use their vote!
Ever since poorer men and then wimmin too won the vote the powerful oligarchs (it is not just Russia who has these men pulling strings) have concentrated on trying to persuade these people not to bother voting 'as politicians are all as bad as each other'. Whenever you see that point of view someone somewhere is rubbing their hands in glee! (If you want to know who they are the guest list at Margaret Thatcher's funeral would be a good starting point!)

Other tactics are to hound opposition politicians - worryingly appealing ones such as Kinnock and Blair - to put people off voting for the opposition. Their third tactic is bribery - taxes and of course immigration (though they have just been outflanked on that of course).
As a charity CEO I met a number of politicians at ministerial and shadow ministerial levels and thought them all decent people who clearly had a commitment and a toughness to be in politics. In all the interviews I gave to newspapers not one resulting article was error free. And TV is blindsided by their deadlines and need for 'an angle'.
The reality is that our democracy should really be called a 'Bureaucratic Democracy' as perforce most of the decisions and policies etc are made by faceless civil servants. And as 'Yes Minister' showed us they also control what the Ministers get to see - if they can. Yet the person who bowed to the renderers' pressure and signed the document allowing them to treat offal at lower temperatures - saving vast sums in energy costs - was responsible for CJD. S/he probably read Classics at Oxford and was no scientist. Now s/he is retired with a generous pension and an Honour (and these days a bonus payment too!).
Bottom line is that whoever is elected has to face 'Events' and do their best. Only a small part of the work of government involves significant choice - especially with Treasury in attack dog mode.

Now the present PM is really not popular with the tory party oligarchs who are livid that he went into coalition with the LibDems. You may have noticed their hounding of Nick Clegg in the media? The reason for this is that, with Lib Dems at the table, the PM has in effect seen off the oligarchs who chose him as an attractive 'Blair-type' whose strings they could pull. Instead they have a PM who is playing it his way! they are out of the loop. So in my view, the Lib Dems have done the country a big favour yet they are paying a heavy price.

To put my cards on the table - if you have stuck with me thus far - personally I am not content with the male-dominated adversarial system that has evolved. I doubt it is able to address the complex issues facing us today in anything like an effective way. More female MPs and PM/Ministers with young children is a marvellous development though! Blair, Brown and Cameron all have the parent's perspective necessarily and I have liked them and trusted them better for it.

Civil servants must be more accountable - why should our elected reps take the blame for their mistakes? That alone puts a lot of good people off entering politics.
Coalition government would seem to be the best way forward. And when the first ministerial appointment is made on the basis of the best person for the job I will raise a glass. (When that does happen I predict it will be a woman and the task she faces will be so challenging no man would take it on - eg during the expected lethal viral pandemic when it explodes and the rich and powerful run for cover).

So really think through what matters most to you, always question in your own mind motives for arguments you hear, judge character and integrity (people in all parties vary) but whatever you do VOTE. Then pray for a fair wind for our country in the years ahead. Thanks

Impatientismymiddlename · 10/04/2014 20:16

Blair, Brown and Cameron all have the parent's perspective necessarily and I have liked them and trusted them better for it.

I agree with most of what you said, but Cameron's parenting policies have really disappointed me, especially the ones that have had a negative impact on families with disabled children. As a man who had a disabled child I expected better of him, but I suppose when you have paid help and pots of cash you don't really understand what it is like for ordinary families with disabled children.

voddiekeepsmesane · 10/04/2014 20:19

The Op is the very reason that I think that rather going into a coalition I would have preferred an issue by issue vote in the house after the last election. No one party holds the views of many people. Peoples views about individual matters change left to right depending on the issue. Maybe FPTP is not the answer anymore. Then again the British public spoke when given the chance not long ago and kept it Hmm

WhizzFucker · 10/04/2014 21:04

Enjoyed the political compass website. Did people see this -

UK political parties plotted on the same graph (so you can see which is closest to you)

So mumsnet is a hotbed of leftwing libertarians (as I suspect are most groups of regular nice people) - when do we get to be in charge?

amothersplaceisinthewrong · 10/04/2014 22:01

I have always voted Labour but I rather like our current MP Theresa May! Think she would be a better PM than Cameron too.

And I just cannot bring myself to give any support to Ed Milliband.

lessonsintightropes · 10/04/2014 23:40

I can't vote Tory because they are cunts who want to get rid of poor people.

I can't vote Labour because they are war mongering cunts who pay lip service to helping poor people and I have no idea what they will actually do other than copy the Tories.

I can't vote Lib Dem because they lie and go back on promises like tuition fees.

I can't vote Green because no one else will and they have no chance of giving the complacent big three a shock.

Who else can I vote for but UKIP? And writing them off universally as racists is totally lazy, but happy to join in on discussion of their policy deficit.

AlpacaYourThings · 11/04/2014 00:41

I might vote Green. Doubt it will make any difference!

AlpacaYourThings · 11/04/2014 00:46

I've just read the Green Party policies and I agree with every single one!

I would never have considered voting for them before, it's highly unlikely they would ever get in though Sad

Impatientismymiddlename · 11/04/2014 08:38

Who else can I vote for but UKIP? And writing them off universally as racists is totally lazy,

I agree that it is lazy, a better description would be xenophobic and homophobic.

ClockWatchingLady · 11/04/2014 12:18

Unless Russell Brand gets a party together in time, I'm going to have to spoil my ballot paper. I have (very reluctantly) reached the conclusion that most of the factors meaningfully affecting people's lives are beyond the government. Even if we do believe the shit they promise pre-election.

pumpkinsweetie · 11/04/2014 12:37

Going to vote labour because I have too. But lets face it they are all a bunch of lying rich toffs, all parties included.

Russell Brand would run the country better than the whole lot of them put together imho.

And don't get me started on ukip, racists hiding behind a sheild. They are not just here to tackle immigration....

flashmob · 11/04/2014 14:49

Agree with WhizzF that Political Compass is really revealing www.politicalcompass.org/

AnnaLegovah · 11/04/2014 15:07

I just did the quiz on the voteforpolicies link and to my surprise came out almost completely Green Party - unfortunately there IS no green party in my area nor will there be anytime soon.

This is what's wrong with politics in my opinion - a party I would vote for but can't as there's no candidate here.

AlpacaYourThings · 11/04/2014 15:43

I'm in the same situation Anna I want to vote Green at the next election but there isn't a candidate in my area, either.

Oblomov · 11/04/2014 17:22

I did the test. It said I was 'as Liberal as Ghandi'.

But I must have done something wrong, because it didn't tell Me which party to vote for. And that was what I really wanted.

unlucky83 · 11/04/2014 18:52

oblov there is a link to Uk parties 2010 on the home page LHS bottom and it shows you where the parties are - you'll be a green I think

cdwales · 11/04/2014 19:32

"But lets face it they are all a bunch of lying rich toffs, all parties included"
No actually they are not! The point is made above that it the right wing press try to persuade us not to exercise our hard won vote by repeating this lie. Having met quite a few MPs most are putting up with a lot of nastiness because of this anti-democracy campaign and very few can reasonably expect to exercise power! What decent person (woman?) in her right mind would enter the arena? We need accountability (though MPs are pretty public it is senior civil servants who get away with murder!) If we want gentler, kinder people making decisions (MN-ers?) we have to stop repeating this mantra and helping the powerful rich to undermine democracy...

Impatientismymiddlename · 11/04/2014 21:59

I'm in the same situation Anna I want to vote Green at the next election but there isn't a candidate in my area, either.

Would you stand as an independent for your area or get involved and support getting a green candidate?

AlpacaYourThings · 11/04/2014 22:40

I would consider supporting someone to stand, I wouldn't be interested in standing myself, no.

frumpity33higswash · 12/04/2014 11:28

Anyone but Tories and Lib-Dems