Justice for Men and Boys - Isn't this exactly why we need feminism

[wickeddevil]

Heard Justice for Men and Boys Founder Mike Buccanan on Womens Hour earlier today complaining that men pay 72% of all income tax.
Well isn't that because they have more income?

And instead of complaining about the feminist agenda doesn't it demonstrate why we need it?

Incidentally, quite a lot of women say they became more interested in feminism once they had daughters.

Mike's party won't do well, sigmund. At best, it is the new Monster Raving Loony Party, at worst it is a perpetuator of hate speech. There is little room in politics for anything other than the main 3 parties (possibly the main two now).

This is true Doctrine. My feminist awakening only came about once I had two daughters and didn't them to face a future as 2nd class citizens. I accept I have been incredibly lucky in not facing much discrimination personally, but I'm in a field which is wonderfully gender-neutral. I can imagine my life would have been quite different if I'd been interested in another, more male-dominated, career, and I don't want my daughters to face issues like that.

Mike and his ilk are doing exactly the sort of stuff a lot of abusive men do. Blame someone else, especially women, for their poor actions.

I'm all for mens rights. The right to; be their better selves; take responsibility for their actions: look after themselves in terms of physical health and emotional well-being: respect, and love, people in their lives: recognise when they have an 'advantage' and not exploit that: attempt to amend other men's damaging thinking and behaviour, (esp. toward themselves.) Those sorts of 'rights'?

None of that 'costs', and has nothing to do with Mike's agenda.

Middle of interesting conversation with DH - about whether we're inadvertently socialising him to be 'tough', 'boys don't cry' etc. Stemmed from chat with my Aunt about her concerns that we were 'feminising' him because he has a doll, nappies, and a little buggy.

My Aunt my well be SF - she believed feminism wasn't useful for her. When we discussed those little issues like the vote, and not having your husband be able to legally rape you, you actually opened her eyes and went out to educate herself... There are still elements of more 'radical' feminism she disagrees with - but she no longer whole heartedly dismisses the entire discourse.

We figure that actually, then he's tending to his 'Baby', he's showing nurturing, empathy and sensitivity. Good traits I think no matter what your gender.

He also sees both my DH and I work an equal number of hours, for equal pay (in different but equivalent roles).

Sorry - inadvertently socialising DS (2)

' at worst it is a perpetuator of hate speech'

Hate speech. Is that what you call advocating for mens rights?

Sorry, I know I shouldn't, but I really can't resist - I am totally failing to understand why SigmundFraude is so concerned about the rights of men. Surely, we should just sit back, pour ourselves a glass, and wait until the society evolves and organically generate those men's rights, just like it did for women. Non?

You know, I still don't think I know exactly what the MRA want to happen in practical terms. Please could somebody tell me 3 laws that they would enact the day that they became dictator? Actual proper laws that they think would improve things.

Sigmund - his party will be advocating continued discrimination against women (cunningly disguised as 'rights for men').

Doesn't he propose compulsory paternity testing? Could there be anything more woman-hating than that?

I very much doubt feminists would sit back, pour themselves a glass and wait for men to gain some rights. More like they'd be stood there with placards.

I would say that was woman-mistrusting than woman-hating. He has a point if one in 10 men are bringing up children that they mistakenly believe are their own.

I personally know a woman that did this, it didn't end well for anyone, unfortunately.

of course a massive balancer to that is the numbers of women who raise children on their own as the father has buggered off, or don't pay any support or both. A much bigger problem. Mike really does need to review the testing thing.

The whole name "Justice for Men an Boys (and the women who love them) is just too dodgy too.

To Mike, women obviously aren't equal to men and boys - they are a bracketed add-on (and only on the proviso that they love males). He doesn't elaborate on the meaning to this - does it mean that there is to be no justice for women unless they love men & boys? That only women who love all men & boys can expect justice? So ambiguous.

'don't'? I've come over all southern. doesn't pay support.

And girls - why's Mike leaving out the girls?

What if the name were: Justice for Men & Boys (and the women & girls that love them) (oh, and the men & boys that love the women & girls who love the original men & boys...)

Or we could call them "Justice For Men & Boys (and the women that love being forced to have paternity tests because women are filthy liars).

That's got a ring to it, hasn't it?

Only a feminist could put some kind of spin on the party name! The party is to predominately help bring about justice for men and boys.

Feminists tend to get a little antsy when the name feminism is criticised as being anti-men, isn't it the same thing.

So. The First Law. Compulsory DNA testing of all babies at birth.

What's the next one?

I'm just imagining sigmund's indignation on here at a political party called "Justice for Women and Girls (and the men that love them)."

not at all SF! I thought it was both logical and expressed with the levity it's due. Just wish I'd thought of it.

We have all put that fantastic TED talk on our Facebook walls, haven't we?

Yes law 1 is compulsory DNA testing at birth.

The only other one I've heard is no to "women's quotas" for boardroom jobs.

'I'm just imagining sigmund's indignation on here at a political party called "Justice for Women and Girls (and the men that love them)."

Well, there are parties called Justice for Women and Girls, although they are euphemistically known as the Conservatives, Labour and Libdems.

I think you got that the wrong way round sigmund. How many women are in David Camerons cabinet? How many in the shadow cabinet? Is it more than 50% women?