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Scotland. Independent?

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Solopower · 26/05/2012 20:48

Do we need a thread on Scotland?

Here are some opinions - what do you think?

Ian Bell: www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/a-vote-for-independence-not-for-salmonds-policies.17698693
The Scottish people should have the right to choose.

Iain McWhirter: www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/why-snp-has-to-work-to-win-round-scunnered-scots.17677823
Most people have other priorities just now and are too tired to care.

Humza Yousaf
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/26/scottish-independence-labour?newsfeed=true
The Scottish Labour Party should back independence and go against the party line.

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flatpackhamster · 31/05/2012 13:43

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Scotland puts more into the taxation pot than it gets back.

That's what Salmond and the Nats like to claim, but the figures they use are their figures. Still, we'll find out how immensely wealthy Scotland is when it leaves, won't we?

As for the change in the coastal water boundary, we'll have to see how that pans out. Although, of course, the government didn't "quietly" move the boundaries at all. They were moved as part of the devolution settlement and it was a public process, evidenced by the fact that I was able to pull the complete record off the internet with no effort.

What you can do if you're interested in maritime boundaries, though, is take a look at this website. If you click on the 'search database' button, then you'll be able to see all the treaties agreed with Britain's neighbours over the division of territorial waters. Another interesting example is Denmark, which, like the UK, has a complex coastline and several near neighbours.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/05/2012 13:58

thanks hamster that is a really interesting site :)

Re the taxation thing, I sort of agree with you. It seems that independence supporters can trot out one highly esteemed economist who will say one thing, and then the unionists will find an equally highly qualified economist to say the opposite.

Therefore, I take the view that re whether Scotland gives or recieves more is actually probably pretty neutral.

grimbletart · 31/05/2012 15:10

Time England declared its independence....

JennyPiccolo · 31/05/2012 15:20

Couldn't agree more grimble. It's a shitty state of affairs for most people just now, and i'd love it if voters in England kicked out their government and strived for better, instead of all this piss and moan about subsidising and free prescriptions and its not fair blah blah blah.

pixieclaire85 · 06/06/2012 10:53

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