Cameron out by Christmas?

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"Nadine Dorries, a vocal critic of the pair, went as far as to warn the leadership it could be ousted by Christmas"

"According to the rules of the backbench 1922 Committee, in order for David Cameron's position as leader to be challenged, the chairman of the committee needs to receive 46 signatures from Conservative MPs to signal a vote of no confidence," she told the Mail on Sunday. "I would guess that those signatures are already coming in and will reach 46 by Christmas."

After the drubbing at the Local elections the back bench seem to be baying for blood. Are Cameron and Osborne listening to their own party.

I have a feeling that once again the Tories will implode. What a Christmas present that would be. Wondered what you good people think.

"LadyS it makes perfect sense, as any first year undergrad economist will verfiy" YY but this would mean our government undoing 30 years of neo-liberal free market economics. (a deeply flawed system) Are they ready to come out and say "you know what Maggie was weapon of mass destitution" I don't think any political party is going to go in for a command economy because it still smacks of that thing they hate so much communism.

Boris is definitely going to go for party leadership. Cameron is seriously soiled goods and would crash out if a general election were held now, but Boris is a Trojan horse, the Tory it's OK to like.

Clegg is dead in the water, obviously, as are the Lib Dems as a party.

But Boris is a buffoon, a very likeable eccentric but could he really make a great PM

mini I have much evidence in my short life to work on the basis that people are messy and creative and can live with uncertainty and many conflicting drivers, and one thing certain is that even the political economy of communism is not necessarily a static one. While ideas are always key to our development and living life on the ground, they exist to inform us and not govern us. I think also most ordinary people know that, anywhere in the world.

He's not a buffoon; it's just his act/persona. I don't know about great PM, but he's just been voted back in as London mayor and from the Tories' point of view he's the best they've got at the moment.

You should see how many members the communist party of GB has, maybe one, perhaps two. It's a dirty word as is Marxian economics, although there are a few green shoots in economic circles/universities. Even people like Stiglitz have seen the light and realised that 3% compound growth is unachievable.

The only way to reduce debts is to increase spending, you have to speculate to accumulate and all that. By pumping money into public services and in the right way (not banks or management!) then this will filter back into the economy as thus:

Your hospital needs 100 more nurses. These nurses need accommodation. They need to furnish their homes, heat them, pay council tax, buy food, transport etc, so these 100 nurses spend their wages. The shops are busier so they order more goods/food. The suppliers to these shops will have to order more produce and the growers/manufacturers hire more staff. The manufacturers will need raw materials so the suppliers of these hire more staff. It's not rocket science and I don't have a degree in Economics.

If they want to cut the deficit then they need to look at the stupid amount of waste in the public services. The hospital here bought new self watering plant tubs, 20 at 50K a throw! I kid you not. There's also the tax that big business's think they can get away with not paying. They can cut the deficit without cutting services or benefits for the weakest sectors of society.

Lady, you are so right but capitalism seems to have a surplus of people. It simply casts them off, out of work, even in the last time around we saw a jobless recovery. If the stock prices rise, the workers are invited to share in the celebration but not the rewards. Those that have the capital to invest are simply holding back, they no more want to invest in jobs and growth than they want to pay their taxes. So again it's down to governments, socialise the cost, privatise the profits.

devon, you pay debt through income [or selling assets]. Oops we decided to liquidate like family silver before. Well, we have to earn more. Oops we've got fewer people paying tax because they keep losing their jobs, darn, how about some smoke and mirrors about tax avoidance... and private sector growth. Oops banks aren't lending to little businesses. But think of poor Greece.

Maybe the BRICs will help. Maybe we can pray for extra-terrestrial help. This is a little dated but you get the point.

Every sensible analyst will say the fastest and best economic outcome for all of us is to complete the default. You can't buck the market.

you are so right ladys
now I'd have gone round with a hose for 5 k50k

5 k

I disagree strongly with the cuts in benefits. You judge a society by how it treats it's most vulnerable. The government can save money, it need to look closer to home rather then withdraw financial support to the disabled, elderly and children. Maybe privatisation isn't the key, mimi. I like the John Lewis way of working, bonuses when earned rather then shares.

I read the other day Boris is the favourite to take over from Cameron as leader of the tories. Boris is OK and quite a character but can't see him as PM. I totally agree that the Lib Dems teaming up with the Conservatives is just not on. Also can we have a new party for ordinary folk.

I like the Green party, they have a good ethos but they have never really been runners in the race. I think with some mass promotion though...

I'd like to see a workers party, a party that would work for all people, that's us, the workers, the ones who really create the wealth.

Oh forgot to add, it used to be called the labour party. That was before it sold out to the wealthy elite and the free market lie.

LadySybil, I was quite encouraged by the Green Party London-mayoral candidate coming third. Onwards and upwards?

I wish the Labour party had won the last election. It would have been salutary for them to have to shovel up their own mess. The fact is that they would be doing very little that is different from this government, just a bit slower.

Having worked and tried to keep a business going through the 1970s, amidst the utter chaos of almost permanent national strikes in one industry or another, monetary meltdown, sovereign bankruptcy avoided only by the IMF's $4 billion bale out and culminating in the winter of discontent only to see Thatcher come in and take all shit for having to do something about a desperate situation, I get a sense of déja vu.

Similar scenario to 2008. Government cocks up - other side gets in faced with a disaster - other side gets all the opprobrium for having to deal with it.

That doesn't mean I am a rampant Tory - merely wryly amused while being alarmed to see history repeating itself.

The though of Boris being PM terrifies me, if Nadine Dorries was PM I'd emigrate.

I'd vote Green.

Has anyone without a seat in the commons ever been PM? Typical bloody public school boy massive sense of entitlement and will want to take the short route

I don't thinly the public would stand for an unelected PM.

I think that if Boris were to appointed as a Lord, he could serve in the Cabinet as a Minister, including Prime Minister.

Not sure it would wash with the Country, though.

Do you mean another unelected MP, GiantPuffball??

I liked Gordon Brown. He gave a shit about the in-work relatively poor.