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minimathsmouse · 04/05/2012 08:32

Labour have won a string of victories in English and Welsh local elections - with shadow ministers claiming Ed Miliband is now on course for No 10. Wine

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minimathsmouse · 04/05/2012 20:37

Its just amazing how many of the little guys dance to this tune, swallow the whole damn story, what's more they even chant it like a mantra.

I was naughty, I must pay

Either that or someone is paying all these little guys to keep chanting it to the rest of us Smile

Claig, could you make up a ditty that all these deluded little guys could sing?

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claig · 04/05/2012 20:45

The big guy runs the media and the media constantly pumps out the big guy's message - sustainability, austerity, cut back your growth, and some little guys believe it. They believe it was all their fault, because big guys never lie. The little guy can't see the wood for the trees, he can't see the big picture, he doesn't realise he's been conned, he can't spot the big lie, he believes it's all necessary in order to "save the planet".

claig · 04/05/2012 21:11

And that's why Miliband's speech today was good. He said he's on our side. He said they've cut taxes for millionaires and raised taxes for millions. That's what the little guy wants to hear, that's a crumb of hope.

But the little guy has heard it all before, he's seen them come and go by the score, and nothing ever changes. He has lost faith and doesn't even bother to turn out to vote, he half remembers hearing these speeches once before, as if they are said by rote. But after what he's been through, what else can he do, he has to try and cope and once again live in hope.

minimathsmouse · 04/05/2012 21:13

or save the banks, or pensions.

If we are to get back to 3% growth, this would mean finding a new avenue of capital investment to the tune of $1.6 trillion, in 1973 only $0.42 trillion and only $15 trillion in the 50's.

Growth may not be achievable, desirable or necessary though! I'm not into the idea of environmental catastrophe but I do think we are now seeing a rising tide of human catastrophe.

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claig · 04/05/2012 21:19

But they tell us that companies are sitting on billions that they are not investing into the economy. That is idle capital. Why not tax that idle capital, so that the companies have to inject it back into the economy and provide growth and jobs for people?

There is no end of growth and development that can be achieved. Innovations in technology and medicine lie waiting to be uncovered and they will improve the lives of people. But that doesn't fit with "saving the planet", because that they say requires lower growth. So like a tree that is stunted and cannot grow, they wish to hold the people down and stop their growth.

aquashiv · 04/05/2012 21:23

Yes and No. I live in a Tory stronghold surrounded by the sort of people that would never vote for any dirty socialist party and that is them referring to the Lib Dems. The took a pasting for good reason. What ever you think and whatever your inner political radar says their policies arent working.
I still have trouble seeing Ed Milliband as a PM he is a a lovely genuine man and very clever but perhaps too humble, not an inspiring leader. MInd you look at the bloody oaf we have.

minimathsmouse · 04/05/2012 21:26

I like Ed. I'm not a labour supporter but when it comes to voting I will vote labour because there is nothing to the left of them.

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claig · 04/05/2012 21:27

aquashiv, I think Ed Miliband is very good. When he first came in, I thought he was not very good, but I have changed my mind after seeing him in action. People want a humble non-arrogant man, someone who is not above listening to the public.

aquashiv · 04/05/2012 22:38

Yes I agreee he is a likeable man. On a wider scale its positive thing that the albeit small voting population has taken issue with what the coallition are doing or not doing. In terms of how he could really step up I want to hear a response that was speciffic measured and coherant. I am pleased he is listening really I am, but what is he saying? He needs to start instilling passion in the people and by that I mean the people that don't vote. Not people who attempt to understand and research politics. They are the ones he has to win over. He needs to talk about what we need to do as a country to fight this awful recession make Britain Great again but I fear the message right now is too diluted he is trying to win people round fighting the Tories on their short term gain policies is not enough. Anyone can talk about the problem but come up with solution thats what will get people listening and believing. Otherwise he will remain a modern day Michael Foot. A very clever intelligent principalled man but someone the masses would just not vote for.
Lets hope he is listening and is going to start engendering a sense of purpose and recovery in the whole country. If he starts to talk about credible solutions then we could well have a Leader and more importantly a party that people might want to believe in my humble opinion.Wink

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