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margoandjerry · 25/04/2012 22:14

change his behaviour in the Commons. He comes across terribly - puffed up with arrogance, shouting and red-faced, like a horrible boarding school bully.

Just watched him on the news, talking about the Jeremy Hunt thing which is a massive cock-up for them and his attitude just seems to be one of entitlement and shouty arrogance.

Not really making a party political point - just find his persona during Prime Minister's Questions really offputting. I'm surprised his people aren't warning him about this after the "Calm down dear" debacle. Patronising git.

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birdofthenorth · 25/04/2012 22:36

Well said. Zero humility.

margoandjerry · 25/04/2012 22:39

yes that's it birdofthenorth. Zero humility. I was grasping for the problem but I think you've nailed it.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/04/2012 08:39

I don't want a humble PM... If someone's under attack, I like to see them give as good as they get. The 'persona' that you don't like, I suspect given the reference to boarding school bullies, is nothing more than simple class prejudice based on inverse snobbery.

margoandjerry · 26/04/2012 10:33

No class snobbery here. I went to Oxford at the same time as him and there were plenty of people there of his background who were not Bullingdon Club idiots. He chose to be that person and is now frantically trying to hide it.

I do want a humble PM when he and his govt have clearly made a serious mistake as is the case with Jeremy Hunt and Murdoch.

I really do think he makes a mistake with his approach to PMQs. PMQs is your moment when you are supposed to be answerable. And sometimes you have to say "This was not right. This was unedifying. I/we apologise". Instead we get spluttering defiance that does not help his image.

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SardineQueen · 26/04/2012 10:44

I was watching yesterday as well and was trying to put my finger on it.

I feel that the jeremy hunt thing is a fiasco but his reaction when challenged was a very unappealing indignant response, as if how dare anyone question him.

He also directed a very nasty put down at a female opposition person which jumped out at me, with his track record I would think he should consider avoiding aiming his more barbed scripted putdowns at women so much.

It's hard though as my politics is that I am very anti this government so how much is me disliking his party and all it stands for and how much is genuine reaction to him is hard to say.

niceguy2 · 26/04/2012 10:53

Personally I'm not a massive fan of DC. I've said before and I'll say again that he does come across like he's no clue what the average man/woman on the street have to live with.

But then I look at the alternative. Ed & Balls and I am grateful we have what I call the best of a bad bunch. Whilst I'm not a big fan of DC, at least his overall message is right. We need to live within our means. Whereas the opposition don't seem to know what they stand for. They say they want austerity, they say they'd make cuts but oppose everything and the only 'policies' they've announced are so thin that they don't stand up to any scrutiny.

SardineQueen · 26/04/2012 11:12

Ed Milliband is excrutiating as well, for different reasons.
Also can't stand danny alexander.
So actually I am terribly even-handed Grin

SardineQueen · 26/04/2012 11:16

I am getting a bit annoyed at the "broken record" thing with the libdems that whenever anyone asks them anything about anything they say "we have to clear up the mess left by the previous government". It just makes me imagine whoever has said it dressed in overalls and picking up dog turds. And they have been saying it to answer every single question anyone has asked them for yonks and it is really grating now.

SardineQueen · 26/04/2012 11:17

libcons that should be. conlibs. tory led governement. you know the people.

minimathsmouse · 26/04/2012 11:41

Yes he gets red and puffed up but when he isn't he puts on his best "let me tell you a fairy story" voice, which is so bloody patronising. It's a class thing. Not that it's inverse snobbery, just that people of his class often meet opposition with patronising sniping put downs. It smacks of lack of intellect and bucket loads of entitlement.

I like Ed, he has a terrible voice (nose problem)and I think he is basically honest, decent and trustworthy.

Iggly · 26/04/2012 11:46

PMQs is not a dignified arena and is a pointless exercise there for the political classes, not the general public. DC's behaviour is aggressive but that's the case for all concerned.

Unfortunately for DC it shows him up in a bad light - it's like a sixth form debating society and they should all grow up.

Pernickety · 26/04/2012 11:50

I totally agree OP and Iggly. I can't bear to watch. I feel embarrassed coming from the same country as these people.

perceptionreality · 26/04/2012 12:13

I agree OP, it's his behaviour that makes the man dislikeable not his background or privilege....!

margoandjerry · 26/04/2012 12:45

I used to know Ed Miliband quite well (worked with him a lot in the civil service) and he is really, really lovely. But also really quite privileged in a slightly different way (intellectual North London household rather than pots of money home counties household). So I don't think this is about reverse snobbery - it's about that unfortunate sense of entitlement that comes off DC. Maybe I'm just hyper sensitive to it because as a gauche 18 year old I formed a visceral hatred for the Bullingdon Club people. I now work with very, very privileged people (work in finance) but I don't get the same sense of entitlement from them.

I get that people struggle to connect with EM and just don't like him. I'm bad at judging how well people will "play" in the media and how they will be perceived. But I do know that lots of people struggle with EM and find him "excruciating" a la sardinequeen who as we all know is very even-handed Grin. So I think Labour will struggle from that point of view. But I do think EM is better in PMQs. Less shouty and red.

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southeastastra · 26/04/2012 12:46

i always find it amazing that he was once PR man for ITV and now runs the country Confused

Atreegrowsinbrooklyn · 26/04/2012 12:51

Anybody who spends their evenings throwing food and drink around restaurants, scrapping, sexually harrassing the waitresses both verbally and physically is likely to grow into the kind of person we see before us in the form of David Shameron.

I speak from the point of view of somebody who witnessed directly the behaviour of these vile BC boys during the 80's.

Most undergrads chose not to join or support these 'clubs'. The fact that DSham did and has engaged in a cover up (making photo's 'disappear') ever since speaks volumes.

When he is under pressure, his true nature emerges-sexist, patronising, sneering, totally insightless.

whitewave · 26/04/2012 16:00

When DC and GO were first elected , I watched PMQ's etc. with interest to try and get a flavour of them. The impression I initially got was two relatively immature individuals who appeared to be playing at the role, showing very little intellectual evidence. I assumed that this would change - how wrong I was!! Still playing, still immature and seemingly struggling with events coming fast and furious.

violathing · 26/04/2012 16:09

Watch Tony Blair - expert at PMQs. Always thinking on his feet and coming back with great retorts. It is more like being an actor then a PM.

whitewave · 26/04/2012 16:24

violathing

Yes I agree - something that DC is never going to master. The trouble is that he doesn't appear to have the intellectual ability that we have a right to expect from the leader of the country, and instead appears to operate within quite small intellectual parameters

perceptionreality · 26/04/2012 17:56

You hit the nail on the head whitewave!

NunOnTheRun · 04/05/2012 09:12

MargoandJerry:"I really do think he makes a mistake with his approach to PMQs. PMQs is your moment when you are supposed to be answerable. And sometimes you have to say "This was not right. This was unedifying. I/we apologise". Instead we get spluttering defiance that does not help his image." DC is incredibly rude - especially to female MPs [all parties] it seems. Two examples relating to Dame Joan Ruddock MP: www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/lewisham/9468895.MP_blasted_by_Prime_Minister_over_nuclear_weapons/?ref=rss and www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=19097

pinkbraces · 04/05/2012 09:22

I agree OP, I think his behaviour during PMQs is appalling and cringeworthy, inf fact thats how I feel whenever he speaks.

I wish I could warm to EM as a viable alternative but I just cant, I really believe if David had wont the leadership contest Labour would be in a much stronger postion.

I find it very scary having DC and GO running the country, there seems nowhere to go but down.

NunOnTheRun · 04/05/2012 09:37

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14834867 "David Cameron says sorry to 'frustrated' Nadine Dorries"

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