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Some Thoughts on F4J

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JL80 · 19/03/2012 22:20

Fathers 4 Justice had a stated aim when they started: to challenge alleged bias against fathers in the Family Court. Numerous articles and studies have exposed this allaged bias as a "myth". As many parents, mothers and fathers, will know, the Family Court has it's faults, but very, very rarely, and usually with extremely good reasons, stops contact with a parent.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/28/comment.fathers.justice

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/11/family-justice-review-norgrove-report

F4J got a lot of press attention but failed in their stated aim. Most of the press generated was negative, especially when it F4J members as being very unsavoury characters.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_4_Justice

F4J leader, Matt O'Connor, has been described as hungry for any kind of publicity by journalists.

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/matt-oconnor-the-man-behind-fathers4justice-406610.html

His most recent publicity stunts related to F4J was to embark on a hunger strike. The hunger strike ended after about a week and was almost completely ignored by the press. O'Connor embarked on a series of publicity stunts before this to promote his new business, The Icecreamists.

www.taylorherring.com/case-studies/breast-milk-ice-cream/

During debates on child contact orders from the Family Court, O?Connor often obfuscates, talking about the riots of Summer 2011 as the result of ?Fatherless Britain? and claiming that 200 children a day lose contact with their father. He does not explain what the Family Court had to do with this, how many of fathers are prevented from seeing their children by the Family Court or what Fathers 4 Justice is doing about it. Instead, he accuses journalists and others of promoting an ?ideology of hate? (without explaining what that ideology is).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNsy94vJoHI&feature=player_embedded

Nadine O'Connor is Matt's wife. Their latest ad campaign seems designed to get as much press attention as possible. It has got very little press attention and seems to have no aim beyond getting some. They claim they want to end "gender hatred against men and boys" yet their evidence of this emanating from Mumsnet amounts to some posters on some forums.

Interestingly, about a year ago, Matt O'Connor's Icecreamist business PR didn't seem to think that Mumsnet were in the business of promoting gender hatred when they placed an ad on the website last year:

"We placed a £50 advert on the newsworthy social networking site Mumsnet to reach out to potential suppliers ? within 24 hours, 15 mums had come forward to offer their services."

www.taylorherring.com/case-studies/breast-milk-ice-cream/

This is what O'Connor had to say when challenged about the appalling behaviour of some F4J members:

"We went to such extraordinary lengths to try to vet people. On our membership form it said: 'Please tick if there are any allegations against you.'" Michael [another F4J member] says: "None of the dads started off mad. They became mad though not seeing their children." Matt says he did all he could to contain it. "I'd be up at 3am on the phone to the police, telling them about a member who was planning to firebomb somewhere."

A rather bizarre about face. Mr O'Connor, who has described how he has had to prevent some of his members "planning to firebomb somewhere", now takes umbrage with some contributors to a forum making some offensive remarks.

I think that this sums up just what motivates F4J:

Fathers 4 Justice - The Official Campaign Organisation
11,130 likes · 1,434 talking about this.
Non-profit organisation
Fathers 4 Justice ® - The Official Campaign Organisation
Media Line: 07879 450315 (This is not a helpline)
www.fathers-4-justice.org/
father4justice.wordpress.com/

Note, there is no mention of a helpline number but there most certainly is a Media line.

This whole sorry escapade from the O'Connors and F4J should be viewed for what it is: an attentions seeking act from publicity hungry people.

Justine and Mumsnet should ignore them - M & S certainly will. They is a world of difference between an extremist, attention seeking microgroup like F4J and a large, self-help community like Mumsnet.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 19/03/2012 23:03

Can't we ignore them? Don't know that much about them but they seem to trade heavily on being 'irritating'. Great long screeds like the above will only have them high-fiving each other that they've got under people's skins.

JL80 · 19/03/2012 23:22

I debated whether or not to post a thread but surmised that it is best to get as much info out about them, their methodology and their motives as possible.

And it is very interesting how a business with very close links to F4J advertised on Mumsnet and it now attempting (extremely unsuccessfully) to boycott other businesses for advertising on Mumsnet.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 19/03/2012 23:32

I've not been following the story 100% but there's a certain irony that a website named after mums and an organisation dedicated to dads cannot communicate like grown-ups but are reduced to name-calling, lies and weblink potshots. Any minute someone is going to tell me 'but they started it' and the effect will be complete.

JL80 · 19/03/2012 23:34

Only one of the organisations that you mentioned is reduced to that type of behaviour - and it isn't Mumsnet.

It's easy, and lazy, to say "they're as bad as each other", but it's totally inaccurate and unhelpful.

If you read my thread, you will see that it's obvious what they are doing - trying to get maximum publicity off the backs of Mumsnet.

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PeggyCarter · 19/03/2012 23:40

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JL80 · 19/03/2012 23:44

They're most definitely the same person. In fact, one of O'Connor's anecdotes is that, upon being called an "extremist" by the police he retorted that he wasn't an extremist, he was an "icecreamist".

He also claims that the police have said he's a bigger threat than Osama bin Laden. I find this difficult to believe.

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PeggyCarter · 19/03/2012 23:55

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suzy82 · 20/03/2012 12:21

This was posted on their site by a mumsnetter - couldn't have put it any better myself: onlydadsonlybob.wordpress.com/

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