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WTF are Frothers? Not a quiche, but a protest group. Fighting for the "basic line of British decency" against fiscal brutality.

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garlicfrother · 22/01/2012 01:28

What are Frothers?

The term "Frothers" came about one dank and dismal November day in 2011. A frustrated user of the parenting forum Mumsnet started a thread about her dismay at the cuts that the Conservative/Liberal Democrat government was inflicting on the British public.

She stated that she was not "quite a frothing berserker but I am getting rather cross with our government messing with the good stuff".

The good stuff - policies, benefits, institutions that had taken years to achieve were being cut for no good reason, often leaving gaping holes in the fabric of British society.

The NHS, with which we Brits have a love-hate relationship, but like a favourite sibling, we wish to protect from harm.

Sure Start, a successful scheme that supported parents who were struggling and offered children from deprived backgrounds a better start in life.

Universal Child Benefit was cut for those families who had one earner bringing in more than £44k a year. If both parents each earn less than £44k, they keep their UCB payments. This obviously hit single parents and families with a single earner hardest.

Disability Living Allowance and Employment and Support Allowance - which enabled those with disabilities to live a decent life, without feeling that they were begging for assistance or were a burden to the taxpayer.

Student Fees, the introduction of which, contrary to Lib Dem pre-election promises, means that a whole generation of young people will have to think carefully before applying to higher education.

These and many other cuts are being made in the name of austerity. We are "all in this together", but some of us are deeper in this than others.

We all understand that there are sacrifices to be made but why should these sacrifices be borne by those who already have so little?

The general public seems oblivious of the dangers being faced, they are unaware of the injustices being wrought on the already disadvantaged.

The government is winning the war of the headlines. They have blasted the recipients of DLA and ESA as scrounger and cheats so often that the general public believe it. They misinterpret data to "prove" their points. Teachers are painted as being irresponsible and greedy, while the bankers rake in the money.

The poster on Mumsnet was not alone for long. Within a few days, a group of over 30 posters had formed. They asked themselves, "What can we do?".

The idea of a blog was born. Three days later the blog had over thirty authors signed up, a Facebook page and a Twitter account.

The Aims:

  • to open the general publics' eyes to the injustices being created by the governement
  • to inform those who are facing cuts about their rights
  • to link with other activists and charities, in order to put pressure on the government

Are you a Frother?

Come and join us.

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TWITTER

OP posts:
yummymummyreally · 15/02/2012 21:43

just frothing..... in general... at the world.....

What's interesting about the NHS reform so far, is that everyone seems to have forgotten that GPs already sit on PCT boards. PCT's were designed to be locally serving organisations with local GPs on the Board. The difference is that it was GPs that were interested in taking on that kind of role; whereas now the new Clinical Commissioning Groups will force all GPs into a role, to a greater or lesser extent, in commissioning, whether they are good at that kind of thing or not.

Unfortunately it's far too late already to stop the major loss of commissioning intelligence that has left the NHS over the last 2 years in redundancies and those jumping ship whilst they can. Those currently doing that role are classed as NHS managers. The NHS can only operate well if there are good people managing it. But the managers have been so demonised, that fewer good people want to do it, it's the first port of call for job losses, and now really good managers are being lost and you can already see the effects in some organisations, where the remaining staff are trying desperately to pick up stuff they know nothing about.

And finally: another thing everyone forgets. GPs are private. Any arguments about not 'privatising the NHS' fall down when you realise that the primary care providers are already private. Have been for years. It doesn't stop them being any less 'NHS' and nor does it automatically mean they are better or worse being private or not. Good GPs will always be good; good managers will always be good; regardless of labels or organisation names.

I'd rather the government stopped spending millions 'restructuring', and leave the NHS alone to have chance to actually do its job, instead of having to manage change permanently.

Crikey - sorry..... froth froth froth....

ChickenLickn · 15/02/2012 21:51

Yes, the NHS was already operating at world-leading levels of efficiency - the most cost effective service with the best health outcomes. Which makes the reason for the reforms even more suspect.

The justification for "reform" is very thin indeed. Especially as David Cameron specifically pledged he wouldn't touch the NHS.

minimathsmouse · 15/02/2012 22:06

David Cameron was lying when he said that before the election and if he now expects us to believe he's had a rethink, well he's still lying to the public. The Cons have been in talks with the American Health providers and insurers long before the last election.

ChickenLickn · 16/02/2012 00:23

Funny how the only people who actually support this bill are David Cameron, Andrew Lansley, and the private health companies waiting to make a killing.

MmeLindor. · 16/02/2012 09:00

just popping in to say hello and ((hug)) Hunty surreptitiously.

There is a lot of activity on Twitter today about Tesco and Workfare. Anyone want to tweet the Frothers blog on the subject, we could use a boost.

MmeLindor. · 16/02/2012 09:03

Have found the Tesco tweet that was so popular and linked to blog so if anyone wants to add to it?

ThePinkPussycat · 16/02/2012 09:19

Seething at your situation, hunty.

Where I am, the PCT changes seem to have weeded out the dead wood. Some very good people remain. But everyone feels powerless as the steamroller heads inexorably towards us...

CardyMow · 16/02/2012 09:27

Gave up trying to get DS3 to sleep in his cot last night. He ended up sleeping in MY bed, and I ended up on the sofa. I think he will be one of those dc that wants a bed rather than a cot. Which is a bit of a PITA as there is literally NOWHERE in my house to put another bed. And I am still 15th on the housing list. Which means roughly another 15 months on the list. And no way to go private, as 1) There is no deposit gurantee scheme in my area. 2) Rent on a 4-bed here is £1200pcm. 3) The deposit would be £2400pcm - it would take me 20 years to save up that much money. 4) Housing Benefit will only cover a MAX of £865pcm. Leaving a shortfall of £335pcm to find. Which is just NOT do-able.

So I could be on the sofa for a good 15+ months. Deep joy. Especially when you bear in mind that a good night's sleep is very important for my seizure control.

What concerns me is that the HA houses that are coming up on my LA bidding system have rents of roughly £810pcm - so Housing Benefit is barely covering THOSE, let alone any private houses!

minimathsmouse · 16/02/2012 10:22

Some numpty politician was on radio 4 a few days ago saying "benefits capping will land the bill for housing into the laps of local councils Confused it just goes to show that the vast majority of these people have no command of the facts.

HCat, It makes no sense and people like you are made to suffer, not just because of their policies but because the people who make those policies can not grasp the impact its having.

In our area HA rents have gone up 8% this year, way above falling inflation. If the government cap HB then surely there next port of call should be to have a chat with these essentially "private" housing associations. If we want to tackle rising rents it's the obvious place to start but no benefit claimant bashing appeals more to these conservatives.

HCat can you not sleep in with him? or is he too wiggly, mine keep me up all night if I have them in with me.

ThePinkPussycat · 16/02/2012 10:49

Hunty could you afford a decent sofa bed? We have one that unfurls, has springs and a proper mattress? Maybe e-bay? You could have mine but I need it and am a bit far away...

KatieMiddleton · 16/02/2012 12:19

Petition against workfare here: epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29356

KatieMiddleton · 16/02/2012 12:23

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29356

CardyMow · 16/02/2012 13:02

No, can't afford a sofa-bed - my charity shop sofa is falling to bits as it is, no0 money to replace even with another charity shop one right now.

Can't share now - too dangerous now my seizures have got bad. Plus the meds too - I really wouldn't feel safe doing so!

CardyMow · 16/02/2012 13:04

My HA rent is going from £522pcm to £622pcm in April...bit more than an 8% rise!!

And then NEXT April it will go from £622pcm to £722pxm.

And they want me to get back to work and cover that on NMW?!

CardyMow · 16/02/2012 13:05

Needs must with the sofa-sleeping though. dc come first.

ThePinkPussycat · 16/02/2012 17:30

Oh hunty Sad

Should have been divorced today, but don't think application from solicitor has yet reached the Family Court. Today is 6 weeks and 1 day after the decree niisi.

Am still having a Thread Party on Relationships from about 8.30 tonight, if anyone wants to drop by and say hello Grin

MmeLindor. · 16/02/2012 18:22

Tesco Dilemma

Although it seems so trivial when I read your posts, Hunty. :(

MmeLindor. · 16/02/2012 18:22

Pink
Um, I guess I could say congratulations, although it seems a bit odd to do so. How are you doing?

garlicfrother · 16/02/2012 18:48

toomanycuts.blogspot.com/2012/02/nice-workfare-if-you-can-get-it.html

OP posts:
MmeLindor. · 16/02/2012 19:58

Thanks for linking to my blog.

Voidka · 16/02/2012 20:51

Saturday 3rd March: National day of action against workfare. www.boycottworkfare.org/?p=359 #boycottworkfare

ThePinkPussycat · 16/02/2012 21:06

My thread party in Relationships has started. All frothers very welcome Grin

carernotasaint · 16/02/2012 21:46

OMFG.They want to make disabled and ill people do workfare indefinately.

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/16/disabled-unpaid-work-benefit-cuts?CMP=twt_fd

carernotasaint · 16/02/2012 21:48

Last year MP Philip Davies said disabled people should work for less than minimum wage. The bastards were testing the water werent they? To see what they can get away with.

ThePinkPussycat · 17/02/2012 00:07

And will they have to assess for reasonable adjustments, and then offer such adjustments? I doubt it.